Posted on Sep 6, 2015
CSM Carl Cunningham
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I have worked with all the services frequently during my career. I see the ups and downs in each service. The Army seems to have the biggest attitude towards itself though. I would like to hear thoughts as to why Soldiers seems to talk bad or dislike the service that I love. Some may disagree this is true, but I do not think I am off base by stating this.

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Do you think it is possible for the Army to ever show the universal pride in service that the USMC does?
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CPT Alfred Smiley
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The Marine Corps Hymn teaches its history in battle. The Army's "Over Hill, Over Dale" does not. I once wrote new words for the Army Hymn in hopes of remedying the shortcoming:
To Lexington and Concord Town
we filed in from all around,
though our Army had yet to be formed.
Minutemen, guns in hand,
rushed in to defend Our Land,
the Militia poured in from their farms.
There the Redcoats formed their ranks
and they fired upon the Yanks,
and attempted to torch the very town!
So we pushed them from the bridge,
and fired from every fence and ridge,
'til back to Boston they fled in alarm.
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CPT Alfred Smiley
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I don't know if it's true, but I used to hear it said that every Marine squad in the Pacific Theater in WWII was composed of 10 Infantrymen and 1 Cameraman. The point was that the Marines supposedly launched a major PR effort during WWII to publicize their exploits. Come to think of it, you don't hear much in military lore about the Marines until their daring amphibious landings in the Pacific.
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CPT Alfred Smiley
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For one thing, it's taught. I was always impressed about how Marines can tell you that the "blood stripe" on their dress blue pant leg was earned at the Battle of Chapultepec, Mexico in 1848 (the vaunted "Halls of Montezuma"). The Army's history is even more impressive (Concord Bridge, Lexington Green, Bunker Hill, etc.), but it's not taught to our soldiers. I think the Army has long missed an opportunity to inspire its troops by not teaching its history.
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CWO3 Retired
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I think that all of our services have pride in what they do and they do it well. From someone who grew up as an Army brat, then enlisted in the Marine Corps know the difference between both of your Military Combat Warriors. My father served during two wars from 1950 to 1972. I was lucky to serve in one. But to your question about the Army’s attitude toward themselves start with your basic leadership principles and especially your professionalism toward others. The biggest difference between the United States Marine Corps and the United States Army is the size of its components. As I watched our Brave men and women who goes in harms way day after day, its not once that all are equally important than the few. In the Marine Corps it started in Boot Camp and never ends until we see our maker in Heaven. It’s the Pride that we all have. Our motto says it all “Semper Fidelis” Always Faithful!
To Our Corps, Our God, Our Country, and to each Marine. Past, Present and Future. Your Army is Your Army. It will be whatever you want it to be as long as You do your Best to serve others not yourself. Semper Fidelis SGM Carl Cunningham.
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CPL Stan Simmons
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I have served in both the beloved Marine Corp and The Army. The Marines are all rifleman first then their MOS, They eat, drink, sleep, and work their identity 24 -7. We are instilled with the fact we are few but the elite. It is that Spartan like ideal that all Marines have. The Army in the units I served in has theiir history and a certain amount of pride too. But it seems to be more a unit pride and more of a job than a service. Except for the CAV! Which I was so honored to serve.
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CPL Stan Simmons,
I totally agree with you. What everyone else is not saying is the United States Marine Corps teaches us long life attributes of Professionalism, Honor, Pride in the Corps. But most importantly we are all trained to kill in Combat and survive whatever it takes to be successful in our Mission. “Move, Shoot, and Communicate”. Thanks for your service to both fine Military Organizations. Semper Fi!
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1SG James Kelly
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Because they are not Marines.
Follow up: no.
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In the Army, I think it's a focus on the division level and your battalion. That's why we do not have the Army pride. We are much bigger and much more divided so our pride is proximity in the Army.
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SFC Mike Wilkins
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You must be a marine to say the army does not have as much pride as the marines do. That marines are wannabe navy, that’s who pays their checks and who they work for. They train the marines not to fire that’s why they put them at embassies. When they send the army there will be gun fire for sure. Almost all branches have covert ops teams or JTF groups. So no one branch corners the market. I myself am retired army and proud of it and any member of any branch should be proud of their branch if not I feel sorry for them. I have one last thing to say,”GO ARMY”.
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Other than OCONUS I haven't served alongside Army that much. The ones I did serve with 78-98 seemed to be very proud. 10 th Mountain and Aviation TF 4/4 in Somalia, as well as various other units. Some Black Beret Ranger outfit was OPFOR for Gallant Knight/Gallant Eagle for our portion at 29 Palms in 88. I met a Lt from that unit in the Camp Wilson area before the Op kicked off, and he seemed well-grounded.
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SPC Christopher Perrien
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Well the Marines have always been a force that has a long history of fighting in non -vital ,Counter-insurgency warfare , small unit warfare , and enforcing Imperialism as they have been doing since fighting the Barbary pirates, the Mexican war, the Bananas wars of late 19th early 20th century and now in this silly GWOT. Always nice to be doing what your mission has always been (wardogs of capitalism and all that LOL)- And I do find it funny the Marines are in places where there is no-water to be seen . The Army being a force that SHOULD be training to fight organize /formal warfare , is seeing that main purpose being destroyed by having to be involved , training for , and now using equipment to fight in counter-insurgency warfare as well . Look at such thing as having units with MRAPS. A useless , expensive vehicle that by design is only because we got army units spreads out in hostile areas with hostile populace and Army units got to worry about mines and IED's. The army should not be doing that or be in those areas doing counter insurgency. If there is no "front" or battle-line the Army should not be there . That is the province of the USMC.

Always nice to be doing the job you are supposed to be doing or were created in the first place. Small unit and counterinsurgency warfare. Really the Marines though now also seem to stuck a lot in thinking about Amphibious Assaults, due to the "freak occurrence " of having to invade islands in WWII. Guess what? That never was the actual mission of the USMC and it won't happen again on a large scale. However in the "banana wars" such as found in this new GWOT the USMC is doing what it was made for. The Army is doing missions now, the Army was not meant for, nor should be doing. So yea, because of that I would expect the USMC to have a higher"Esprit de Corps" than the army. At least in the combats units. I doubt there is much difference in the rear echelons of either. I got out of the Army , when it's mission was completed by winning the Cold War, and witnessed the beginning of the corruption of the army to fight in this bogus "Great war of terror" , . Which basically means killing Moslems , fighting wars and destroying countries for the benefit and security of Israel. Does nothing for America , except to create more Enemies. Osama bin laden, being a case in point.
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