Posted on Sep 6, 2015
Why does the Army not have as much pride as the Marines?
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I have worked with all the services frequently during my career. I see the ups and downs in each service. The Army seems to have the biggest attitude towards itself though. I would like to hear thoughts as to why Soldiers seems to talk bad or dislike the service that I love. Some may disagree this is true, but I do not think I am off base by stating this.
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Do you think it is possible for the Army to ever show the universal pride in service that the USMC does?
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Do you think it is possible for the Army to ever show the universal pride in service that the USMC does?
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LOL, I've heard Marines say the exact opposite - in private. I also think it's because they are a smaller element our government has tended to abuse due to "appearances." I've only been in one unit in my 40 yrs that didn't have exceptional pride and that was because of piss poor leadership. Overall I think this concept is over exaggerated.
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Few understand the transformation that the USMC creates in the developmental process. 1st the USMC is the smallest of the services, they have a special mission and since their inception they were our nations shock troops. Their history has been documented and taught to every marine in spoken and written traditions. 2. There indoctrination is a process of complete breakdown and they only will build up the best and most capable force. Because their numbers are limited they find that this creates the mental picture of strength and honor. When you compare the two services you will find that one is so much smaller than the other it clearly can be more selective. 3. The Marines have a quality control program that ensures only the best are retained. The USMC has a top 25% rule, this is why there are so many who former Marines, 75% only serve one tour of enlistment, only 25% are going to be able to serve as career Marines. This creates and corps that is a cut above, and ensures they are the most qualified. When you look at the reality of how they are created, trained and managed there is a lot to be admired. However when you look at the Braggadocios Smack Talking, and commitment to the USMC, only those who have been tested in fire can truly understand...I am not a Marine but have served beside some of the best and have had Gen Al Gray and Col Jerry Kelly as mentors and I will stand proud for the USMC any time and any place! DY
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The Army is large and the Marines are small. Marines think they are special because they are Marines. Its that simple.
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Back in the 1960s things were a bit weird. I found out in basic that the Army has a definite attitude about US vs. RA soldiers. I was RA, we had 60 men in our basic training company, we had 59 RAs and 1 US. That poor lonely US caught hell for 8 straight weeks (basic was only 8 long weeks then.) The Monday after graduation from basic I ran across this poor guy crawling in the dirt at Ft Lewis in infantry AIT.
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We have haters too. Exhibit A: "Eat the apple, fuck the Corps."
But seriously, I think the Army pride shows thru in their specialized units, Ranger, SF, Cav, Airborne etc. For whatever reason, the everyday soldier doesn't think of the Army as anything but a job.
But seriously, I think the Army pride shows thru in their specialized units, Ranger, SF, Cav, Airborne etc. For whatever reason, the everyday soldier doesn't think of the Army as anything but a job.
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I held many mos' while in the U.S. Army and pm very proud to have worn the uniforms. Every branch has had another's 6 and saved their ass, so as far as I see it, and experienced it, we are all Brothers and Sisters.
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Marines are overcompensating, trying to prove that they aren't part of the Navy....
*Ducks and runs for cover*
*Ducks and runs for cover*
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One of my brothers was a Marine and the other in the Army. I was an AF medic during the Vietnam Conflict. Other members of my extended family served in the Navy. None served in the Coast Guard. Many Marines I have talked to believe that those in the Army are "wannbe marines and know they are not good enough". As far as the AF they see us as the cub scouts of the military branches. They admit we have better food and facilitates! They do not disparage the Navy.
So the marines are prideful. Yet they are committing suicide at high rates. I have published articles about this dilemma. I highly recommend "Shooting Ghosts" written collaboratively by a marine and photo journalist. So, there is a heavy price they pay to remain "Semper Fi!
Rich, MSW
So the marines are prideful. Yet they are committing suicide at high rates. I have published articles about this dilemma. I highly recommend "Shooting Ghosts" written collaboratively by a marine and photo journalist. So, there is a heavy price they pay to remain "Semper Fi!
Rich, MSW
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SSgt Richard Kensinger
as a clinical psychologist and AF vet of Vietnam, our current toxic political environment is adversely impacting military members in all branches esp. Marines. I have a published article about the "US Incivility War". If interested reach me [login to see] or [login to see]
And remember how vilified Vietnam combatants. I served 1969~1973. Vietnam is the most protested, detested and despised Conflict.
Rich
And remember how vilified Vietnam combatants. I served 1969~1973. Vietnam is the most protested, detested and despised Conflict.
Rich
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Because we aren't brainwashed into thinking we're the greatest thing this side of indoor plumbing?
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