Posted on Sep 6, 2015
Why does the Army not have as much pride as the Marines?
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I have worked with all the services frequently during my career. I see the ups and downs in each service. The Army seems to have the biggest attitude towards itself though. I would like to hear thoughts as to why Soldiers seems to talk bad or dislike the service that I love. Some may disagree this is true, but I do not think I am off base by stating this.
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Do you think it is possible for the Army to ever show the universal pride in service that the USMC does?
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Do you think it is possible for the Army to ever show the universal pride in service that the USMC does?
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I can't speak for Army because I've never been in the Army. So, if there is more pride in USMC I couldn't verify it. I have been out of the USMC almost 20 years, so I can't speak for pride now. I believe it's as high as it has ever been though. It could be that Army pride is higher than you realize. The Army units I've been around seemed to be proud and professional. One factor could be size of Army vs. USMC. The greater the numbers the larger cross-section to sample. It may be related to basic training also. A slice of USMC boot camp covers the history and achievements. My guess would be that boot camp itself is where it starts. It's a rite of passage and that is reinforced and upheld at every unit thereafter. The esprit de corps is a central theme of all Marines once they get assigned to a unit and stays with them for as long as they serve. I'm sure it exists in the Army as well, but due to the larger numbers it is less apparent in certain units.
Edit: Added 12/23/17 Same idea and didn't realize I had already responded.
I haven't been around enough Army to say, although the ones I have served with were pretty motivated and squared away. It depends on who you ask though. One reason might be larger service = more people = greater odds of finding disgruntled and less than motivated soldiers. If you go to towns around large USMC bases you will find great numbers of "ex" Marines that aren't overly fond of the Corps, as opposed to former Marines and those that live by the "once a Marine, always a Marine" creed. The distinction between "ex" and former being the same as an "ex" wife from a bitter divorce as opposed to a former spouse that is still on good terms with the other spouse, but divorced because they just had irreconcilable differences.
Edit: Added 12/23/17 Same idea and didn't realize I had already responded.
I haven't been around enough Army to say, although the ones I have served with were pretty motivated and squared away. It depends on who you ask though. One reason might be larger service = more people = greater odds of finding disgruntled and less than motivated soldiers. If you go to towns around large USMC bases you will find great numbers of "ex" Marines that aren't overly fond of the Corps, as opposed to former Marines and those that live by the "once a Marine, always a Marine" creed. The distinction between "ex" and former being the same as an "ex" wife from a bitter divorce as opposed to a former spouse that is still on good terms with the other spouse, but divorced because they just had irreconcilable differences.
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CWO3 (Join to see)
Hear Hear CWO3 William McIntosh, I agree with what you are trying to convey. But I’ve got to live both sides of the saddle. My father was in the Army during the Korean Conflict and the Vietnam War. Both as infantry, both as NCO and SNCO in 1949-1972. Watching these Servicemen in those days it’s all I knew about. Until I joined the Marine Corps in 1972. Both services are very unique because of their Mission, Personnel and mostly having been around the last 244 years and still counting. I can’t speak about today’s Service Organizations, but I can tell you that they are the Best our Country has forever!
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GySgt Robin Boggs
The Corps is budgeted the least amount of money per service member when compared to the other branches. In other words, Marines "do more with less".
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Cpl Derrick Perkins
we've done so much with so little for so long , we can now do anything with absolutely nothing ! was a sign over motor t ,, so true, no money , broke army hand me downs , it took me awhile to understand that , coming from the air force , we could kbal parts off a 32 million dollar F-15 to get other up and flying , but in the Marines , i could not take a glow plug off a hard broke hummer to get 3 others up and running to get our readiness over 90% !!?:? lol
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GySgt William Hardy
I served in the Marines and the Army National Guard. I was with the Marines in Vietnam at Danang Air Base. I served on active duty with the Army at Camp Taji, Iraq. As far as I am concerned, everyone was as professional as you can get and always tried to do an outstanding job.
One of the things the Marines have over the Army is that every Marine attends the same boot training and becomes a basic rifleman before going on to actual MOS training. No matter what happens, every Marine is a trained fighter. I have found that on the Army side you have people divided out into categories. Soldiers attend basic training according to what their future MOS might be . . . uncommon ground from day 1 of training.
Just my opinion, but when training starts out with different goals, you are going to get different results. I find little, if any difference, in the level of pride in many of the ground units. When you walk around Ft. Bragg, for example, you could be walking around any Marine Corps base. Ft. Campbell is much the same.
One of the things the Marines have over the Army is that every Marine attends the same boot training and becomes a basic rifleman before going on to actual MOS training. No matter what happens, every Marine is a trained fighter. I have found that on the Army side you have people divided out into categories. Soldiers attend basic training according to what their future MOS might be . . . uncommon ground from day 1 of training.
Just my opinion, but when training starts out with different goals, you are going to get different results. I find little, if any difference, in the level of pride in many of the ground units. When you walk around Ft. Bragg, for example, you could be walking around any Marine Corps base. Ft. Campbell is much the same.
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When you change uniforms every few years, throw out all the pride, heritage and honor achieved by reinventing the wheel via dress and appearance, you will never compete with the Corps. They have a heritage that is reflected in a uniform that has basically stayed the same over the centuries of the Corps existence. They take pride in their appearance because it is unique to them
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I am pretty sure if the Army was under the Department of the Navy also it would have at least a months worth of pride also! :)
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I was assigned to the 101st Airborne (Air Assault). During my time assigned to this unit I re-enlisted. I was privileged to have the Batallion Commander perform this ceremony. While in the Lt Colonel’s office, I happened to look over at the Battalion guidon. One of the battle streamers was for a place called Bastogne. Being a bit of a military history buff, I knew about Bastogne. My immediate thought was, this unit has a deep and proud history. The story of how the 101st had held Bastogne against overwhelming odds, is the stuff of legends. I walked out in of the Lt Colonel’s office with my back a little straighter and my chin a little higher. I was very proud to be a part of a unit that was steeped in proud traditions and military lore, I felt as proud of my unit as any marine feels about their unit.
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I served in both branches and I believe it all boils down to Boot Camp. It was as different as day and night. It is my opinion and I know opinions are like a____ everyone has one, but they are trained differently and with different values.
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Who says so? I take great pride in my military service and what I did while in the Army. I even saved a few Marines in the process. I've always taken great pride in my country despite being treated like a piece of shit when I came home. The VA treats me like shit, the police, but not veterans. Don't ever tell me I don't take pride in my military service, my service to the Army, or that anything I did in the course of defending my country was in anyway wrong.
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Suspended Profile
That’s simply a matter of perception. The art of putting on broadway may appear on the surface to portray pride, but is simply a rehearsed act. Pride is the dirty mechanic mechanic and operator in motor pool working past 17:00; The squad running drills in wood line without making sure the chain of command sees them but the soldiers can shoot, move, and communicate; The leaders talking with their troops after missions to write a through debriefing document; Getting off our butts and out the truck and clearing the IED and not waiting on EOD because we can; It is assaulting through when you receive fire; And sometimes talking back when you get bad or stupid orders because you give a damn about your people and following orders blindly is not what the American Military wants. Dog and pony show, bah. Take that hot mess to Cirque de San Francisco.
All branches have discontents. The reason you hear from the army is it is twice as big as any other branches. You can add the Navy an Marines together and the Army is still bigger. So we have twice as many discontents. But they all have their own discontents.
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The only Army units close to the pride of the Marines were the 82nd Airborne and the Special Forces units I fought with. Those guys were professional where most of the other Army units were very undisciplined.
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