Posted on Jul 6, 2015
CPT(P) Aviation Combined Arms Operations
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TSgt Kevin Buccola
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so we can 5 different pots of money to trick the American public in paying higher taxes
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Do we really need 5? No. Will we ever truly be a joint force? No. We will work together, but we will constantly be forced apart by title 10, and the all powerful greenery that is called money. To combine the forces, would require so much time and money. Even if it started now, we wouldn't see the final product in our lifetimes
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Sgt Matt Koeneman
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We each have a specialized mission. Examples: Navy-Sea/Ocean warfare, Army-Occupational duties, Marine Corps-Rapid deployment forces, Air force-Air support/surveillance
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I'd say three. Army for major land operations, Navy for global strategic force projection, and Marine Corps. as a "strategic QRF".
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Who do you suggest would control the Air and Space missions?
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TSgt Brian M
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"If you look at it there were originally two (2)..." Wrong. The Marines were formed long before a US Navy was created, and didn't come under the control of the Department of the Navy until 1834.
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Sgt Ron Danielowski
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Question: "Why does the U.S.A need 4 Branches of the Armed Services?"

Answer: It doesn't, and it is unsustainable.

Chet Richards does an excellent job of discussing the reality and some of the options available in his book "Neither Shall the Sword" (http://bit.ly/CR_NSTS).
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Im sure there are some great points discussed in the book, thanks for the advertisement too and I hope you get a cut of the pie, but just as the Romans, we will fail if the generations present and future do not have financial education to back up the operational needs and wants of our government. Big Government is a bad thing for any country, history proves this!
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Sgt Ron Danielowski
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Hey Russell, Chet does make some great points, unfortunately I don't get any commissions :-(

I agree, we will fail if the generations present and future don't have the financial education... and having that financial education includes knowing economic laws can't sustain big spending regardless of what the government "wants."

"Big Government is a bad thing for any country, history proves this!" Without a doubt.
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It's called Zero-based budgeting developed by SecDef McNamara in the 1960s. In zero based budgeting, every program needs to be justified each year or else the department losses that program. The logic was that in order to spend money efficiently under federal standards, each program needs to have performance metrics and be held accountable. It has become a joke because each program uses its own arbitrary method to track performance. Therefore, each program request itself to stay in existence year after year. To kill off a whole branch of the military, you would need to get rid of all the small programs that make that branch.

It's not out of the question to merge more parts of the DoD. They have merged warehouses in each Department since the 90s through the working capital funds. It's only a matter of time when we start centralizing contracting and supplies Department wide. As we automate military reporting and cut headquarters units, chunks of each departments budget is going to disappear and the military will become efficient. There also has been a push for interdepartmental activities lie working with DHS or DOI.

Everyone blames the JCS for overblowing the national security threats and it may seem unchecked. But there are actually several controls in the process: Council of Colonels, Senior Review Groups, Army Resources Board, Planning Programming Budgeting Committees. Then, you have guidance from the National Security Strategy and Defense Planning Guidance. The GAO does criticize Defense on a lot of estimates,but America will never take the risk. It is better to have an overmanned professionally trained force than meet shortages by contracting it out to mercenaries who could be more crazy.
CPO Jim Turner
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This question has been around for years, but had not yet been answered. There are some jobs that are interchangeable, and some are not. For example, I was a Navy Corpsman, and while working in a hospital, any service can cover, however while deployed, this is where the differences are. Could an AF medic integrate with a MC infantry unit without proper mission and physical training? Could an Army medic function as an Independent Duty Corpsman (IDC) on a ship or a sub? Could a Navy Corpsman operate as an AF flight crew member?

All these deployed positions require extensive training beyond medical training, this is what makes military personal special.

So, to answer your question, no, yet, but maybe sometime in the future.
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
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Different missions, different histories, different expertise. Of course, when we operate jointly, many of the differences are minimized. Also, the Constitution specifically authorizes the Army and the Navy (including Marines) differently. Also, be careful. Exclude the USCG at your own RallyPoint peril!
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LOL... Ive lived in Florida for the past 3 years, have know guys here for three years and just found out they are in the USCG. The USCG does a terrible job of self promotion! Remember...we are all on the same team here.
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
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Three Branches, the USMC is a part of the USN.
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Capt Jeff S.
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The USMC and USN are coequal branches that serve under the Department of the Navy, whom the SecNav presides over. We both get our budgets from the same civilian secretary, and we both train officers at the US Naval Academy, but it terms of operating, we are completely separate and equal branches.

The following link isn't bad and describes the relationships pretty well... considering it's not even a military website.

http://whatsthediff.net/featured/whats-the-difference-between-navy-and-marines/

But if you want a more official explanation, click on the site below:
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
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I Have a Jarhead (retired) BIL that used to say that and I'd say does you pay check say Dept of the Marine Corps or Dept of Navy. Are those NAVAL Aviator wings you wear or USMC wings*? Is your doc a Jarhead or a squid? What branch is your Chaplain? Why do you rthink you are called a sea going bellhop? He had to admit they were Navy! LOL

*He a USNA grad that became mud Marine and after two years went Pensacola and got above it all.
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MAJ Jack Horn, LPC, NCC, CCMHC, CCTP, CCTP-II, CCFP, CDBT
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MAJ Reams was correct.  Four branches, three services.  The Navy is one service with two branches.
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Capt Jeff S.
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MAJ Ronnie Reams, You have the Navy confused with the Department of the Navy. Two different entities.
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