Posted on Sep 2, 2016
COL Lee Flemming
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The human capital and financial costs of long-term military intervention is extremely steep. Have we built our military to fight, or is there a real expectation that we nation build too? Are we resourced to nation build? The reality is obvious, but I am not sure if the end result is expected, predicted or even understood at the time of deployment. We all know the definition of insanity...
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SFC Clark Adams
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Because the US military hasn't fought to win a war since WWII. The US Military is the epitome of American myopia. Somehow "we" feel that our way of life and social structures should be placed into the cultures and societies of the world. In the arrogance of our people and politicians, it's been decided that we know all, can do all and others must emulate America's greatness and perfection!!(SARCASM FONT ON) When this country accepts the fact that the military forces are meant to engage in the destruction of those who threaten the welfare and stability of America. Any tool can be used incorrectly, but do not expect a good result from the misuse of said tool.
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COL Lee Flemming
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Wow...well said Sir...and I absolutely LOVE the sarcasm font!!
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PFC Kimberly LaVoie
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I think our record has always been spotty, however, in this day and age I believe the biggest impediment is the lack of patience of our elected "leaders" and the media's controversy creating hand wringing which gets the general public all wound up.
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COL Lee Flemming
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PFC Kimberly LaVoie you absolutely have something here...patience not only of political leaders, but national will to continue the fight at a very intense level...
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SFC Don Vance
SFC Don Vance
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For a young soldier you definitely have learned your lessons well!! Patience is a virtue in all situations and especially in warfare!!
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PFC Kimberly LaVoie
PFC Kimberly LaVoie
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SFC Don Vance - thanks...full disclosure however.... I'm a 60 something RVN vet....
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SGT Mary G.
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It is difficult to compare the type of occupation (rebuilding) today (in both Iraq and Afghanistan) with, for example, the occupation of Japan and Germany after WWII. Having served in Germany, I have to say that by the mid-80s, 40 years later, it was very clear the occupation by allies after the war had been good for Germany.
Both current occupations have been complicated from the start by ongoing armed conflict which destroys many rebuilding efforts. It is doubtful that the current endless seeming occupations, in 40 years or more, would change the nature of the current rebuilding efforts, except to create more problems domestically because of neglecting issues that need funding.
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Capt Jim Sower
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The basic problem is we don't bother to understand what the issues are. We regard the "wars" in the Middle East as new developments. To much of our opposition, they are Act III of WW-I. After WW-I, France and England drew a lot of arbitrary lines in the old Ottoman Empire and defined them as "Nations". These boundaries very deliberately included a religious majority and a minority. They picked a guy they could run from the minority to run the place resulting in internal hatreds (minority government constantly quashing majority population) kept the whole country so busy fighting among themselves they never noticed who was really screwing them. A brilliant post-colonial strategy from which we're now reaping the whirlwind.
Add to that that the fact that the US, after all these years (since 1954 or so), hasn't learned how to fight an asymmetric war. Seventy years on, we are still fighting WW-II (the only even-close-to-success being the first four months after 9/11 - which effort we quickly abandoned in favor of carpet-bombing). We as a nation are flying on instruments here (in the sense that there's no visual reference to the horizon when you've got your head up your ass).
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COL Lee Flemming
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Historical, regional, and institutional perspectives of where we are going...essential!!
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GySgt Charles O'Connell
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In recent history our intervention has proved less than successful because we have - 1) Tried to achieve strategic goals with "limited war". Limited warfare brings a limited result. 2) Use of military forces in the role of "peacekeepers". Our Armed Forces are not trained or equipped to carry out such roles. These roles are better left to the baby blue berets. There has also been, in my opinion, an up and down level of support from the public and elected officials. Everyone wants the bad guys dealt with, but when the casualties rise, and civilians suffer, it's "oh crap, we've gotta get out of there".
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COL Lee Flemming
COL Lee Flemming
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Great points on limited war and misuse of military forces!!
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Cpl Michael Etherton
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Read Tony Zinni's book "before the first shots are Fired." Know how to get out, before you step in.
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Cpl Michael Etherton
Cpl Michael Etherton
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You won't be disappointed in the book. Maybe with our government, tho.
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COL Lee Flemming
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Cpl Michael Etherton - a couple of days into the read...you were right. Definitely recommended!!
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Cpl Michael Etherton
Cpl Michael Etherton
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Definitely should be read by every incoming Congressman or Congressperson.
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COL Lee Flemming
COL Lee Flemming
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Cpl Michael Etherton - Sir finished the book last night and you are definitely right!!!!
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1LT Aaron Barr
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My guess would be that we're thinking that we can win hearts and minds BEFORE breaking them.
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COL Lee Flemming
COL Lee Flemming
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There is something to your post... 1LT Aaron Barr as has been mentioned before we absolutely have to win first!!!
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as long as the money flows
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SMSgt Combat Medic
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Because we have men who have never served making decisions and strategy. They are only concerned for their well being...yes...they are political leaders.
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COL Lee Flemming
COL Lee Flemming
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Definitely not the only reason...this is not new. And until we take ownership for our failures as advisors or strategists there is no possible chance to succeed...
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SFC James Lahtonen
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This is a timeless question and I have read some really good responses. I agree that we have changed what we do with our military, also the times have changed. After WWII it was the ARMY of OCCUPATION in both Europe and ASIA, then Uncle Joe pulled a fast one that many saw coming and started scooping up territory. Today we "Don't want to look like we are Occupying the country", we don't allow our soldiers to fight to their fullest extent. We make up ROE that are just plain stupid, all in the name of PC. The same people who preach that the "Geneva Convention says you can't shoot at the Mosque" fail to read past the comma, and they set down the rules. Most of them never leave the FOB unless they have a company sized element for a security team. I tend to agree that kill who needs killing, and blow up what needs to be blown up and let the civilians rebuild, or go back to the ARMY OF OCCUPATION!
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SGT David Petree
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it depends on how`s in charge. army`s fight. first & for most ! Government changes the rules that govern what mite be done. if the goal is Not cl ear then it is a waste of time. Iraq was a waste of time at the start. there was No clear cut goal to start with, no good plain. some one just throught they would just roll over & play friends still not happing.
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COL Lee Flemming
COL Lee Flemming
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The rules do get changed on us quite often!
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