Posted on Oct 31, 2014
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The day I turned my chevrons in for gold bars I noticed something. All the officers I've ever seen never wore marksmanship badges in dress uniforms. I just assumed they were unauthorized for officers and removed it voluntarily. I honestly never desired to wear the badge (probably because I was only ever a sharpshooter), but I haven't found any documentation specifically preventing officers from wearing them. Do you think officers should wear them?
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COL James Pittman
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In answer to the original question, they do-but not all. There is no prohibition on any soldier wearing a marksmanship badge as long as they are currently qualified with their weapon. That some choose not to is personal choice. However, your uniform and all you are authorized to wear on it serves two purposes; it provides a picture, or a story if you will of where that solider has been, what he has accomplished, and what he has earned in terms of awards and decorations. Your official photo should depict ALL of these things, and I have sat on promotion boards where questions were asked as to why a particular badge or medal that was on the ORB was NOT on the picture. Your awards etc. are part of your uniform; some. nobody will miss or question like a Marksman Badge, others WILL be missed by those who put you in for them or those who know you have earned them but choose not to wear them. You are essentially Out of Uniform. One of the biggest ass-chewings I ever got was from a General who knew I had 8 rows of riibbons and 5 US and 4 foreign badges and showed up at a social function wearing 3 US badges and my top 3 decorations. Not good. Best advice - if yoiu're earned it - wear it - and correctly!
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LTC Tom Jones
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Off the subject, Cpl D, but your comment drew me back to a conversation with my boss at Fort Eustis in the late 80's in which he described meeting a senior Soviet officer at a "meet and greet" at the India War College--the only school at the time were US and Soviet Officers trained together and at a time when Cold War tensions were still high. COL Russ Simonetta recounted that the Russian had asked him what he had done to earn a particular ribbon. "These three," he said, " I got for killing Commies in Vietnam." Knowing Russ, it was undoubtedly said with a smile and a clinched jaw.
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COL James Pittman
COL James Pittman
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When I was enlisted in the early 1970's, I once attended a retirement ceremony for a British Sergeants Major in Yongsan. It was a dress uniform occasion, and as I walked around as a young SSG with 3 rows of ribbon earned in Vietnam I happened upon the retiring SGM who had two ribbons on his uniform. When he saw my jump wings he came up with beer in hand, tapped the wings, and said "Airborne, Jolly Good". He then tapped my Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry ribbon and asked "Wots that one"? I told him, and then I tapped one of two he had. "Whats that", I asked. "Victoria Cross", he replied and then moved on. Since then I have developed a rather acidic view of "been there" and "achievement" awards that make an E4 with a few tours of duty down range look like an Argentinian General. When I retired, I had 8 full rows of ribbons, but if I subtracted all but those for wounds or valor, I was down to 3 that EVERYONE knew what represented. They were the ones that had meaning to me then - and now. When applied correctly and fairly, non-combat awards can improve morale, esprit de corps, and motivation, but when watered down or become an "everybody" gets one kind of thing they can achieve the exact opposite. Sometimes I think the Brits had it right all along!
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MSgt Bill Miller
MSgt Bill Miller
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Cpl Debbie Dave LaVallie - Upon retirement I was the Superintendent of a specialized Air Force Engineer team; our mission was to directly support USA and USMC airfield seizure operations. This required us to attend many cross service schools and field training events to remain proficient in our duties. The problem was leadership, and USAF regulations, did not allow sister service badges on the uniform. I lobbied leadership for and received an exception stating the very thing you claim here; at a glance my engineers received instant validation of their qualifications and capabilities when working with our sister service components. It was such an issue that when my NCO's attended any USAF school I required them to carry a copy of the OI with them to clear up any questions. Conversely; when I showed up at Quantico for the Advanced Course the naval parachutist Master Guns placed myself and the Recon guy up front because we were the only ones wearing gold. We are a culture of instant recognition; there just isn't time for anything else.
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Cpl Debbie Dave LaVallie
Cpl Debbie Dave LaVallie
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COL James Pittman - Excellent point Sir, I belong to the Marine Corps League, I attended a Department meeting and met a fellow Marine that at first glance appeared to be "Chesty's" equal, he sported 7 rows of decorations. Upon engaging him in conversation I quickly discerned that only service ribbon he sported was a Fire Watch Decoration, the rest were MCL awards. I walked away with a slight smile on my face sporting my 5 ribbons all earned in the RVN.
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1LT Gerald O'Hare
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It is tradition in the Officers Corps not to wear them and I never did.
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SSG Lucas Velez
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LOM on an E-6. That is fucking high speed !!! But he is a Ranger so he has high standards too !!
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SSG Lucas Velez
SSG Lucas Velez
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Maybe he forgot to put them on?
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COL Director Of Operations
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Seems unlikely.
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CW3 Sac
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It's a fake uniform.

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LTC Gene Moser
LTC Gene Moser
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I wondered about that myself - plus an MSM but ARCOM with only one OLC and an AAM with none?
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SSG John Jensen
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the reason officers carry pistols is to shoot their own men in the back if they try to run away - that's why the Redcoats wore red coats - Cal Guard set up EIB/EFMB program one summer, as a Nat'l Guard Civil Service Technician with EFMB from my time with the 82d, made a snide comment the officers should have EIB to hold their jobs, my boss was kinda outraged that I suggested that he wasn't an expert - years later(04) a friendly insult to him about he should have been in a high speed Transportation Unit so he could have gone to Iraq, instead of a scum-of-the-earth Infantry with SLICK-SLEEVES!!
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SPC David S.
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While given a sidearm an officer's primary weapon of choice is leadership. Not sure how you qualify with that. Not to say NCO's don't offer leadership it just that it is more local in scope while an officer is more global in scope. Or another way to look at it is a NCO is focused on what the unit is doing while the officer is focused on what command is doing.
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Cpl Debbie Dave LaVallie
Cpl Debbie Dave LaVallie
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Well I suppose if you lead from a kevlar bubble watching satellite views of the battle that's fine. But when the SoB's come over the wall you better be able to hit what you see.
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LtCol Mac McCarty
LtCol Mac McCarty
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Cpl Debbie Dave LaVallie - Preach it, Corporal.
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SPC Dan Kissling
SPC Dan Kissling
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I sure as hell wouldn't want to serve under an officer that wasn't proud of his marksmanship.
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SGT John Overby
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They don't want to display how bad a shot they are. Better at giving commands than shooting.
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SSG Richard Bladl
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It should be up to the individual if they want to wear their badges or not as long as it is not an order to do so. This is a non-question and I feel there may or may not be some pride or jealousy involved.
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SPC Jared Robbins
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Every Marine in here is saying the very same thing. “Well in the Corps we-“
Yeah, we get it. You’re all infantry.
Marines kill things and break stuff, the Army builds infrastructure, keeps the peace thereafter and kills things whenever we are able to do so.
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Cpl Craig Howard
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I don't remember ever seeing a Marine Officer in Dress Uniform without them on. One of my favorite things to do at formal functions was to let the Senior NCO's and Officers that I could help with raising their shooting scores if they didn't like wearing a lower ranked badge. I did Avionics most of the time, but I was also a Rifle and Pistol Coach for our less talented shooters at the range. Still love shooting today, just different models and calibers.
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CDR Jim M.
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Edited 1 mo ago
Always wore mine, as a Navy officer. But then I shot expert with rifle and pistol and subsequently became the unit range master thanks to the US Marine Corps training as a youngster. I believe you lead by example.
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