Posted on Oct 31, 2014
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The day I turned my chevrons in for gold bars I noticed something. All the officers I've ever seen never wore marksmanship badges in dress uniforms. I just assumed they were unauthorized for officers and removed it voluntarily. I honestly never desired to wear the badge (probably because I was only ever a sharpshooter), but I haven't found any documentation specifically preventing officers from wearing them. Do you think officers should wear them?
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MAJ Bill Maynard
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I know this tradition exists in some foreign militaries and is a matter of regulation. Officer in the German Army are not allowed to wear marksmanship badges by regulation. As far as our American Army Officer Corps tradition of not wearing the badges, I don't really like it. I qualified expert most of the time with rifle/carbine and pistol and wanted to wear those badges. I do concur though that I believe this tradition comes from the fact that all officers should be experts in the profession of arms which includes marksmanship. Of course, as many NCOs will point out, we have many officers who are horrible marksman who can hide their bolo status behind this tradition :)
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LTC Christopher Hills
LTC Christopher Hills
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I wore mine and my soldiers were proud. That said, i keep reading these comments that officers should be experts at everything, and that was never taught and is plain bullshit. Officers need to be in great shape to lead from the front, they meed to be experts with their weapon to lead and survive on the battlefield and they need to know their job. Companies have mechanics, but i dont need to know how to rebuild an engine on a hummer, they have cooks but i dont need to cook a roast, they have supply sgts but i dont need to know all that paperwork. What i need to know is how to lead all those people, how to develop them, delegate to them and hold them accountable. Anyone who ever said an officer was an expert at all things was a self absorbed paper pushing wus who never stepped foot on a field of battle. Oh, and probably didnt wear his expert marksmanship badge either...
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SPC Dan Kissling
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Interesting question, as an enlisted I think it would be best for them to wear them. For if they are to lead by example then why not be able to prove that they can perform basic tasks and drills. My Drill Sergeants said it best, every soldier is first and foremost an infantryman regardless of rank.
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TSgt Ray Lewis
TSgt Ray Lewis
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I was a Marksmanship NCO at Ramstein in the early 70s and I had a
General Officer request that I teach him how to shoot the 38s that we had.
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SGT Graduate Student
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Not sure if anyone point this out already (couldn't find it) but besides the reasons I read on here, I have heard that:- "Officers are supposed to be all Expert marksmen"... I guess it's a mythical notion. Perhaps they're waiting for that day when thousands of officers all synchronize and become all Experts LOL I say good luck with that
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SFC Rick Emery
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SFC R. Emery, I enjoyed 3 years as a Drill Sergeant in the U.S. Army. I was approached by my COL, Brigade Commander that I should apply for OCS. At the time I was a Staff Sergeant and one of my questions to him was, could I still wear my Drill Sergeant badge. He replied that Officers normally did not wear enlisted earned Badges, but it was up to me. I may get some slack for it. I found myself at the time looking into the future saying I would for sure where my Drill Sergeant badge and thought the same of my Expert Marksmanship badges which I had three tabs. I look at it from a little different angle that sometimes our Soldiers beneath usgain, or beside us, gain inspiration, motivation and direction from our leaders who set an example in who they really are and to lead from the front. Shooting well, and wearing their expert badges shows who they really are. I wonderd many times what did that LT, CPT, etc. qualify with when we could see everyone else at our dining in or Class A time together. At the time I had three tabs and many Soldiers would comment. Maybe that inspired them, to work and train harder. Soldiers observing an Officer wearing them would definitely see them leading from the front as well. Wearing the Drill Sergeant badge as an Officer would for sure show them that I was once a part of them, so in conclusion I feel Officers wearing Marksmanship badges would be a welcome sight and show the backbone of the Army the NCOs as well as the younger and enlisted Soldiers that that Officer was also a leader and a true part of the unit. I'm sure many would disagree but I think being proud of who we are and what we have accomplished doesn't say were showing off but actually inspire our younger generation to work hard to train as we fight and truly pay attention and focus on the details. Attention to details as we used to say. God bless Godspeed gotta go!
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MSG David Rogers III
MSG David Rogers III
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Interesting story about the Drill Sergeant Badge. In fact, I heard from many officers in the past (maybe 15-20 years ago), that prior enlisted officers were discouraged from wearing anything that identified them as prior enlisted, to include the Drill Sergeant Badge, the "Gold" Recruiting Badge (officers only get silver), the Good Conduct Medal, the NCO Professional Development Ribbon, and of course... Marksmanship Badges. Can anyone confirm that this was part of the culture as well?
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MAJ Multifunctional Logistician
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I was on the trail for 3yrs and a SDS for 2 of those years. After 17yrs of Enlisted Active Duty, I went through OCS. Very rarely has anybody told me to remove my DS Badge, one of which being OCS. At which time, nobody wore anything other than their name
Tag, US Army Tag and OCS rank (the cadre did know all of us prior service candidates and those few of us who were prior DSs). Other than that, there have been very few personnel who have "recommended" that I remove the badge as I am no longer Enlisted. My response to them has been "After being on the trail for 3yrs, I earned the right to wear it!" I have found that it opens many doors with both Enlisted and Officer. It also shows that I am proud of my Enlisted time. The other day, I went to an Army Ball and the Guest Speaker was a LTG (still on Active Duty) who was wearing his DS Badge. Consequently, the next time I am asked to stop wearing it, I will politely inform them if a 3 Star General Officer is proud to wear his DS Badge then I will continue to proudly wear mine.
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CW3 Harvey K.
CW3 Harvey K.
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MAJ (Join to see) - Well said, Captain. I also sensed a certain desire to create a gulf between the "mustang" officer and prior enlisted service among some officers. They seemed to be mostly staff types, who had become more like they were a mindless drudge working a civil service job in a uniform, instead of a warrior prepared to do violence at the risk of his life in defense of his country.
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PFC Charles Sanders
PFC Charles Sanders
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I can say that during my short stint I was more inspired by those that had accomplished something and were proud of it. I think the idea of Officers not wearing enlisted badges goes back to colonial times when officers came from royalty and/or "noble" families, and the enlisted were peasants. There was a superiority complex back then which still exists to some extent. Personally I say be proud of all of your accomplishments, not just the ones that fall into a certain category.
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CPT Brad Wilson
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I suspect somewhere along the line were not as proficient as the soldiers they led and were embarrassed by that fact and quit wearing them. I wore mine as an ROTC SMP Cadet where I shot Expert (which I did almost everytime in my career) but was encouraged to remove it at my graduation from FAOBC
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CW2 Guy Compton
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But officers (at least in SF) have to qualify with their assigned weapons. On more than one occasion I saw officers repeatedly fail to qualify expert until after multiple iterations (I'm talking 5 or more). You can rationalize all you want but your NCOS will know.
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SGT William Howell
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I'll take a good officer that can't shoot over one that can shoot, but can't lead.
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SGT William Howell
SGT William Howell
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CW3 Harvey K. Sir, not all officers do things with the intent to be malicious. Sometimes they start believing some of the bullshit they say. They can't help it. They learned it in ROTC.

I had a Fobbit LTC that went out with us on patrol and my PL made me give up my team leader seat to him. So he is giving us our leader's brief in the truck and tells us to drink plenty of water because if we went down with a heat injury he would give us a field grade Art-15. An hour later I am stuffing a needle in his arm. The prick thought he was above heat stroke. That was only for enlisted.
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1LT Rich Voss
1LT Rich Voss
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SGT William Howell - Wow. Just wow. My Thanksgiving and Christmas wish for you is more OCS and West Point officers. Hopefully, that will allow you to see things from a different perspective. Or not.
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SGT William Howell
SGT William Howell
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1LT Rich Voss LT, he made BG. I can tell you tons of LtC Synder stories. The time he forgot his gun on a patrol. The time he fell asleep in HIS staff meeting. It goes on and on.
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1LT Rich Voss
1LT Rich Voss
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SGT William Howell - SGT Howell, like I said, I'm not making any excuses nor apologies for ONE particular ROTC officer in your experience. I saw a Three Star West Pointer re-assigned from being a Division Commander to running a library. You have stories, I have stories. Truth be told, there are people in ALL walks of life that seemingly rise to the "top" despite themselves and their actions or in-actions. One of my "buck" SGTs nearly got me, and my entire crew and other members of my platoon, killed as he couldn't be bothered to train his new loader in the operation of his coaxial machinegun. His tank was right behind mine and he let go a nice burst of about 20 rounds before he figured out how to stop the gun. Yes, it goes on and on.
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CPT Special Forces Officer
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A better questions is why does anyone wear a marksmanship badge?
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SGM Senior Adviser, National Communications
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In our Stars and Stripes column on military trivia, we could not find any regulation prohibiting it; many officers related it was a tradition they learned at OCS and Officer Basic Courses....because most officers after WWII are issued pistols (when there are enough in the supply system). We did find photos of officers in WWI and WWII wearing marksmanship medals in Class A uniform, anda few with special marksmanship medals (such as Olympians).
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CW3 Harvey K.
CW3 Harvey K.
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Yep. It would appear that the "tradition" was instead a recent "invention". The "culture change" was accompanied by indoctrination to promulgate the rationalizations offered for the alteration of tradition.
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CW4 Tim Claus
CW4 Tim Claus
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In WWII there were many battlefield promotions within line companies; those guys went through baptism by fire, not OCS, so there was no one around to 'advise them' not to wear marksmanship badges.
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CPT Steven Harder
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I never thought about it . . . but, the only marksmanship badge I wore on my uniform was the EIC Pistol badge.

I know if I had worn any others, my Expert badge would have had a long ladder and just wouldn't have looked right. I also know that a vast majority of the NCO's I knew, only had 1-3 bars under a badge and whether they wore one or 3 badges, it still looks nice.

One thing that sticks in my mind is, Officers, especially INF Officers, have more ability to qualify on the various weapons systems, then do Enlisted. That may also be a reason that Officers don't wear the typical marksmanship badges.
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