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I would like to hear others opinions on this. Im not talking SM and SM because I want to hear more than an "army" answer. Example Soldier has an affair with a Civilian.
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40 years ago what was once termed an "indiscretion" was considered to be ok if, and I stress IF, it was kept at least 100 miles from the flagpole in the center of the installation the service member(s) were stationed. It was still considered illegal, and if caught the soldier(s) were punished by UCMJ or non-judicial punishment. I consider adultery in the military a crime simply because it goes against good military order and discipline. Not to mention it is a violation of the integrity of the individual(s) involved. I am a staunch believer in the 7 Army Corps Values. There is no such thing as a "victimless" crime, the spouse(s) always get hurt.
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because it's wrong. marriage is a commitment and if you aren't mature enough to stick to it you should have your career and social life destroyed
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a commitment to who? Your wife? If so what does that have to do with the Army and your leadership skills and abilities?
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yes your wife. i am assuming you aren't married if you had to ask that. The army is your job, your family is life. you are the leader of your family and if you can't do that right then you are just a time bomb of toxic leadership.
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Lt Col (Join to see)
If you can't demonstrate faithfulness in one area, it may lead me to question faithfulness in other areas.
Plus, as I noted above, it makes you a ripe target for blackmail from outside influences.
Finally, if you are the type of person to commit adultery, I suspect it makes you the type of person who will fall into the "honey trap" set by foreign intelligence agencies.
Plus, as I noted above, it makes you a ripe target for blackmail from outside influences.
Finally, if you are the type of person to commit adultery, I suspect it makes you the type of person who will fall into the "honey trap" set by foreign intelligence agencies.
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I must respond to this question with a question: Is adultery a crime in the military? I never heard that it was but my service occurred during the Vietnam Era. Back then, we had "geographic bachelors", especially those who went on R&R to exotic locals and their wives didn't join them. Some could remember the color of the ceiling in their hotel rooms and little else about their stay.
And before you jump, no, I wasn't one of them. I wasn't even married then.
And before you jump, no, I wasn't one of them. I wasn't even married then.
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Alright so I have read through some of this post and now I am going to play Devil's advocate. Is it adultery if you are in an open relationship and you are having threesomes/group sex? I mean the spouse is involved but so is another person and or people?
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SSgt Gregory Guina
Sgt Enfinger as I stated in the post it was simply devil's advocate. I have no agenda here nor do I agree with it. If you are married you have made a commitment to another individual and it should stay that way. However I have been privy to investigations where whole shope were having swingers parties and they didn't see a problem with it. In the end I agree that it is adultery and in punishable under the UCMJ.
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SGT Enfinger,
First of all i have been married for 14 years. I have 2 wonderful children with my wife. My wife is a saved and sanctified women. My wife is my everything. My marriage is a vow before GOD. So dont ever assume anything with me. If i want to say or do something I will do it.
So let me help you and others and state the question like this.
Why does the army care what i do with my spouse or whomever I choose? What makes it a crime? Now to me adultery is a sin not a crime.
First of all i have been married for 14 years. I have 2 wonderful children with my wife. My wife is a saved and sanctified women. My wife is my everything. My marriage is a vow before GOD. So dont ever assume anything with me. If i want to say or do something I will do it.
So let me help you and others and state the question like this.
Why does the army care what i do with my spouse or whomever I choose? What makes it a crime? Now to me adultery is a sin not a crime.
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SFC Thomas,
I agree with you... Why does the Army care? To expand on that... Why does the MILITARY/GOVERNMENT care what someone does behind closed doors? As long as they don't hurt anyone, doesn't break any laws, why does the military care? The government needs to stay out of our bedrooms and private lives, period.
I applaud you in asking the question. Most have taken the time to actually think of their answer before answering. Thank you!
I agree with you... Why does the Army care? To expand on that... Why does the MILITARY/GOVERNMENT care what someone does behind closed doors? As long as they don't hurt anyone, doesn't break any laws, why does the military care? The government needs to stay out of our bedrooms and private lives, period.
I applaud you in asking the question. Most have taken the time to actually think of their answer before answering. Thank you!
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Sgt Melinda Enfinger
SFC Thomas,
First off, I'm not sure where you gleaned from my comment that I assume anything about you or anyone else, for that matter.
Secondly, you may want to reread the question to which I responded. It has nothing to do with whether or not adultery is or should be considered a crime. It asks if a specific scenario would still be considered adultery and I stand behind my answer because it is correct whether you agree with it or not.
Perhaps I should have replaced the term "I" with "one" in my rephrasing of the question, but semantics aside, that is what the question should be. To quote SSgt Guina, "However I have been privy to investigations where whole shops were having swingers parties and they didn't see a problem with it." Is that not an example of "one" (or several in this instance) doing what they want (swingers parties) and attempting to make it socially acceptable (because THEY as a group don't "have a problem with it") in order to cling to their stated values (in this case, the UCMJ)? Otherwise, why would the good Staff Sergeant have to investigate them?
I did not give you my personal opinion of adultery or how (or if) it should be addressed.
Finally, the way you restated the question has nothing to do the one I answered. So... Before you assume something about me, I would humbly suggest that you take your personal feelings out of it and simply look at the facts. I don't necessarily agree with it being a crime, but until they rewrite the UCMJ, it will be considered one. Just because we don't like a rule doesn't mean we are exempt from the consequences of breaking it.
Take this speeding ticket for instance... ;-)
First off, I'm not sure where you gleaned from my comment that I assume anything about you or anyone else, for that matter.
Secondly, you may want to reread the question to which I responded. It has nothing to do with whether or not adultery is or should be considered a crime. It asks if a specific scenario would still be considered adultery and I stand behind my answer because it is correct whether you agree with it or not.
Perhaps I should have replaced the term "I" with "one" in my rephrasing of the question, but semantics aside, that is what the question should be. To quote SSgt Guina, "However I have been privy to investigations where whole shops were having swingers parties and they didn't see a problem with it." Is that not an example of "one" (or several in this instance) doing what they want (swingers parties) and attempting to make it socially acceptable (because THEY as a group don't "have a problem with it") in order to cling to their stated values (in this case, the UCMJ)? Otherwise, why would the good Staff Sergeant have to investigate them?
I did not give you my personal opinion of adultery or how (or if) it should be addressed.
Finally, the way you restated the question has nothing to do the one I answered. So... Before you assume something about me, I would humbly suggest that you take your personal feelings out of it and simply look at the facts. I don't necessarily agree with it being a crime, but until they rewrite the UCMJ, it will be considered one. Just because we don't like a rule doesn't mean we are exempt from the consequences of breaking it.
Take this speeding ticket for instance... ;-)
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Why is adultery a crime in the military?
The military is a professional organization that prides itself on upholding the highest of standards of character, discipline, and morality. What separates the servicemember from the civilian is the obligation and duty to comply with those aforementioned principles.
So plainly said, adultery is a crime in the military because the action is contradictory to the standards by which set us apart from others.
Thats the best "objective" answer I can provide while taking into consideration the fact that there are multiple & similar reasons which have been echoed by fellow contributors here.
The military is a professional organization that prides itself on upholding the highest of standards of character, discipline, and morality. What separates the servicemember from the civilian is the obligation and duty to comply with those aforementioned principles.
So plainly said, adultery is a crime in the military because the action is contradictory to the standards by which set us apart from others.
Thats the best "objective" answer I can provide while taking into consideration the fact that there are multiple & similar reasons which have been echoed by fellow contributors here.
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It (can) disrupt the good order and discipline within a unit. Believe me, I have seen it.
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Adultery is a sin, and most things that are sins in the eyes of G-d are illegal in the eyes of Man
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SFC John Brooks
However, we tolerate all religious beliefs, and not all religions follow the same set of moral imperatives. As a military and country, we need to fall back on applicable regulatory guidance and federal/local laws to determine legality and illegality.
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PO2 Kleeger
Illegal in the eyes of SOME men lol. I wont say anything else about that lol. Why did you put a hypen between G and the D?
Illegal in the eyes of SOME men lol. I wont say anything else about that lol. Why did you put a hypen between G and the D?
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SFC - I first noticed the G-d spelling by a friend on FB. Check out this link which explains it better than I can: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid= [login to see] 1346AAufN1j
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typically the hyphenate is used in jewish writings from what i've seen. but yes adultery is a sin.
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I can say that our Army Values has Loyalty and should be pilar of every Soldier's moral character. It is the first thing we learn in Basic training and the NCO Creed speaks about Loyalty and our evaluations reflect it. If any Soldier, male or female, Officer or enlisted, breaks that oath, then we should never say that he/she is a great Soldier when they fail to be LOYAL to those with whom they Serve. We are obligated to our country men and women and I do not wish to serve alongside with someone who cannot maintain their oath of loyalty to their spouse, friend annd Brothers/sisters in Arms. This is why it is unlawful and punishible under UCMJ, because it compromises our Values, our Morals and breaks the trust of the Soldiers with who you serve with.
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This one is pretty simple because we are held to a higher standard than those we defend. It would be hard to say you are a just person while you are sleeping with someone else's spouse.
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Besides being a major moral failing, it is a trust issue as well as the fact that we are held to a higher standard. Adultery is one of the worst, non-violent things that you could do to someone. Violating the trust between two people, and cheating on the one you were supposed to spend the rest of your life with. Also, why would I want to serve with someone who turned on someone who was arguably the closest person to you? Don't think so. This should be fairly obvious why Adultery is a crime.
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PO3 Morrissey... You don't state why adultery is a crime... If someone lies to you and breaks your trust over a different issue, regardless of what the lie is, should that be a crime?
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That is true, I overlooked those parts. If both spouses view marriage differently, and have an open relationship sexually, I believe that it is not a crime. When it is done without the other spouse's consent, it is very immoral, and against the military's views, therefore punishable under the UCMJ.
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