Posted on Jun 18, 2015
Why is an E5 Sergeant being treated like a junior enlisted?
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Ive noticed and been apart of the despair that treats Sergeants like junior enlisted. I understand that these are junior NCO's but they are NCO's in the end and have earned the rank. Vehicle searches (for E5 and below), packing layouts (E5 and below), having to buddy up to go to the px (or needing an E6 or higher to go with) etc....Im not oppose to any of this stuff but I just feel like when I was at that rank I earned the respect and confidence of my leadership and the army as a whole.
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I'm oppose to all of it. What really gets me is certain things we(SGTs) get treated like PV5s but as soon as you are understreghted, or others don't want to do their job, we are given the responsibily of a E6/7. The second part isn't a problem. Either let them be NCOs or call it a PV5.
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SFC Jeffrey Couch
It has nothing Being treated as PV5's but it has everything to do with what you know it's a teaching style that all Senior NCO's have the anaomosity you have will always keep you from moving forward you will get the respect your due by doing your job and not expecting to jump right in the hot seat their is a lot one has to learn regardless of what rank you are most all Senior NCO'S got where their at by doing their jobs and learning the next
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There's a difference in an e5 and a sgt. Any one can't be promoted to e5 when qualifications are met. That doesn't make in a sgt. I served five yrs 28 months in ramadi Iraq and got out in 08 made sgt in 5 yrs but I really feel I was a sgt. Not and e5 to me sgt is one that is respected not because he demands it but because he's earned through hard work dedication. E5 is some one who got promoted but doesn't show on a every hr of every to soldiers and his squad leaders or psg that he can lead for from the front or take one the duties and responsibilities that the stripes requires one to have
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CSM Felipe Mendez
leaders need to be involve on all the promotion steps.. Counseling, mentoring, recommendations, ucmj etc. As I remembered, schooling, Soldier of the Month Board and Promotion Board are still part of the E-5 promotion steps. If I saw that an SPC does not need to be an NCO, I did not wasted his time and I did not want him to waste mine. But, I make sure that I provided him/her with all the opportunities to be a successful soldier/NCO. If he/she choose not to follow the NCO route, I still have them come to the promotion board and express that they did not want to be boarded and I dismissed them from the board proceeding. After that, I completed all the necessary paperwork so that individual does not shows in any promotion list under the allocated time by regulation expires. I would do the same when the time arises again. With that, you reserve the Army Regulation and the individuals rights to appear in front of a promotion panel/board
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Cpl Nelson Cheramie, III
Are you trying to make a point between a Spec 5 and a Sgt? Both are E-5 ranks, but one is recognized as an NCO and the other is not.
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SGM (Join to see)
The point the OP is making is E-5 is a pay grade and therefore after completing the required steps "anyone" could essentially be promoted to E-5. Think of him as saying "I'm not an E-5, that's a pay grade. I'm a SGT, which is an NCO and a leader." in a nutshell he is saying "don't be just a pay grade, take the position and rank for the importance it has and be a leader". That's the best way I can explain it.
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According to Army policy, we don't refer to enlisted Soldiers (NCOs especially) by their pay grade. We refer to them by rank. Private (Private First Class may be used for E-3 Privates), Specialist, Corporal, Sergeant (for all NCOs SGT through MSG), First Sergeant and Sergeant Major (SGM, CSM and SMA); Warrants by Sir/Ma'am or Mr/Ms/Mrs and Officers by Sir/Ma'am. To do otherwise degrades their rank to only what they get paid for. Simply put, it is disrespectful (so is calling an Lieutenant "LT" instead of Sir/Ma'am).
Rarely enforced it IS what is proper in the Army. Marines, slightly different.
Rarely enforced it IS what is proper in the Army. Marines, slightly different.
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Establish that authority. NCOs are treated how they allow themselves to be treated. A friend of mine described SGT as the NCO trial period. This is where "theoretically" junior NCOs are taught how to be an adult. As soon as you prove your shit is together, it is big boy rules. But it requires trust from your leadership. If that is not in place, there are other issues in need of address.
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PVT Robert Gresham
I would hope that an E4 is already an "adult" before he is given SGT stripes. Not the other way around!! Isn't that the reason for promotion boards and being able to withhold promotions?
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I've never really seen this except during PCS season and points drop low and all your promotables get picked up and all your non promotables PCS or ETS and you end up with a platoon of E5's and like 3 soldiers.
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Suggest you get feedback from senior leaders on how others perceive you as an leader!
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My opinion will be obvious: If the foods run out in the chow line, I eat last. If the Soldiers are supposed to be somewhere....I am too. Since being a 1SG.... I validated every packing list in my home, on the floor and took the pictures for the SOP.....and all the way up to PSG.... I laid out my stuff in front of the Platoon (yes...as a SFC).... not a single whiney, complaining SSG, SGT, CPL or below could say jack-squat if I did it myself and therefore was the role model. The majority of my gigs? subordinate NCOs who did 95% recovery.... but where's that extra 5%? I can tell you it didn't show up on their NCOER! The same SGTs I'd exempt from stuff? They were the ones as a 1SG I'd see in the barracks before PT checking on their JOEs without being told....way too many think wearing rank permits exemptions verses why-not-me-as-the-role-model-example-of-what-I-expect-from-you?
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SFC (Join to see)
Very well stated CSM. Too many times we witness the "Do as I say, not as I do" mentality. Or the "check down, not up" mentality. Whatever happened to "Lead from the front"?
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Some Sergeants in the rank of E5, in my opinion, aren't quite ready to be turned loose onto the world yet. Yes they earned the rank that they wear, but some under my charge are still young as far as experience goes and still require close mentorship and supervision. I have one that has only been in the Army for 3 years, and more with only a bit more. Each have allot of potential and are great Soldiers, but still need direction and refocusing once and awhile.
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