Posted on Dec 11, 2019
Why is the boonie cap so demonized in the army?
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Seriously I wanna know. Mainly from you senior leadership and your mentality when it comes to this specific headgear, or even as to why it's frowned upon in the field when it's clearly authorized to be worn in the field.
Also if you are just going to bash me or make smart ass remarks because I'm asking this question, then don't even leave a comment. Thanks
Also if you are just going to bash me or make smart ass remarks because I'm asking this question, then don't even leave a comment. Thanks
Posted 6 y ago
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Back in the day we had the BDUs and they had the winter cap with the ear warmer and we could never use it. Just a waste of money for the military.
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At our FOB in OIF II we were permitted to wear only Kevlar or boonies on the FOB, no patrol cap. Outside the wire it was Kevlar only. I don't ever remember a time someone was corrected for improper wear of the boonie.
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When I was at Bliss, CSM had authorization from post command to wear Stetsons and spurs on Fridays. "Talk to CSM Williams." He loved that.
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SPC Steve Bryant
SSG (Join to see) Seems like a battle for Squadron/Battalion leadership to fight (which is why my anecdote was relevant), if they so choose. As you might have noticed, not all boonies are uniform like the patrol cap or beret, so you're going to get people in top positions that perhaps moved up from non-combat positions that might not understand tactical advantages of breaking up a standard profile. For most field exercises, it's a battle not worth fighting for. It's the Army, you should know that things that make sense are frowned upon by at least someone in top brass.
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I don't have an answer, to your question, because my patrols wore them. That being said, don't feel bad about asking any question. I had a great CSM, once tell me, the only stupid question, is the one that never gets asked. I have used that, in all of my leadership roles, Army, and civilian.
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Suspended Profile
It isn't allowed so when you get old you can have repeated pre-cancerous and cancerous spots and lesions removed from your face, neck, and ears.
I bought a green woodland pattern at the clothing and sales store on Fort Gordon in Georgia because I thought it was cool. I still have it.
I gave the only one I was issued in Desert Shield/Storm to my brother when I ets'd. Unfortunately it's long gone.
During my short 4 year career I was issued 3 styles of headgear.
1. BDU woodland pattern cap
2. The airborne maroon beret
3. The circa 1990 desert pattern boonie cap.
The most practical on was the boonie cap. The least practical one was the beret but it looks the best. Especially on the Class "A's".
Given the choice I would wear the boonie cap in the field and garrison.
I gave the only one I was issued in Desert Shield/Storm to my brother when I ets'd. Unfortunately it's long gone.
During my short 4 year career I was issued 3 styles of headgear.
1. BDU woodland pattern cap
2. The airborne maroon beret
3. The circa 1990 desert pattern boonie cap.
The most practical on was the boonie cap. The least practical one was the beret but it looks the best. Especially on the Class "A's".
Given the choice I would wear the boonie cap in the field and garrison.
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I had a Co Cmdr in Korea that wanted to have the soldiers wear the pile cap in garrison. I argued that it would be oily, dirty and ineffective when needed if worn when we had the cap with the drop down ear covers. Of course he was the Co and we wore that dam pile cap.
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SSG Cliff Richardson
No offense but most CSM/SGM, and 1sg's are correctness nuts, and they try sometimes their damnest to run a combat zone like a garrison situation, and it doesn't work. If it's cold wear the damn pile cap, oily or not, it has a purpose. Almost all the stations that I was at the CSM set the stage, and through fear all the 1sg's followed, common sense not included, sleeves don't go up untill a certain date frame, usually covered by AR670-1 weather, and temp be damned. Most soldiers tollerate the bullshit they put out, and the whole Army does'nt function like basic training. We were only allowed in 1991 Gulf war to wear the boonie cap in garrison, in KKMC during the 2 days we went through Health and Welfare/ contraband checks in an isolated area, before loading the AC back to Germany. When in Germany on busses back to Friedburg, besides the hurry up and wait shit that went on forever, we changed from K-pots - to the boonie cap at 4 times over 32 Kilometers, the new acting CSM who was my former 1sg kept changing this via prc-77's to all 1sg's, the Bn CDR finally made the cmd decision to go with the boonie cap. This is just one example of the continued bullshit CSM's and 1sg's come up when there is nothing esle to worry about. Total indecisivness, and over all ineptitude!
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SGM Charles Twardzicki
You sound so angry. We had the cap that had the pull-down ear flaps for use in garrison, the pile cap is actually a helmet liner. When you wear the pile cap when not needed, and it becomes unserviceable, will your patrol cap fit under the helmet? I must have been a real butt head because I went off when I saw old worn out clothing and footgear in deployment duffle bags. Dirty sleeping bags are temperature degraded when dirty and oily. NCO's responsibilities include the welfare of the soldiers. I agree with the sleeves, and taking the BDU jacket off when on detail. Been gone over 20, so does what I say or think matter anymore?
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I do not feel the need to bash anyone, I believe it is a good question, and knowing our government... probably the correct answer as well. However... I've not only seen it being worn, I've worn it myself. Yup, even know it was a no, no. The top brass isn't always right, and I'm sure you know that as well as I do, and 10's of thousands if not 100's of thousands of other's both now and those who walked before us.
I hope that was okay, not trying to be a smart ass sir, just my opinion, and yes, i know opinions are like ___ Holes, and everybody's got one, but it is also a well known fact that they are worn anyways.
I hope that was okay, not trying to be a smart ass sir, just my opinion, and yes, i know opinions are like ___ Holes, and everybody's got one, but it is also a well known fact that they are worn anyways.
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Not going to dispute or argue. Just point to the obvious reason which is...its called a Boonie cap because it was designed to be worn in environment and not as a common type headgear. Comfort aside, the military has myriad of items designed and designated to be used/worn in limited circumstances. Should not come as a surprise and I do not ascribe to the notion that leaders could not find a way to determine its proper wear.
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