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I had my former SSG who PCSd early this year ask me to unsign my NCOER. He's not really answering why and I also have some issues with my command so I'm wondering if they're trying to sabotage me in some way. Just wondering a few reasons why I would be asked to unsign it.
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There’s a long list of reasons why an ncoer would be returned for corrections.
And the signatures need to be removed in reverse order: rated, sr rater, rater.
When you open it in EES, you can click on the details to see why it was kicked back.
And the signatures need to be removed in reverse order: rated, sr rater, rater.
When you open it in EES, you can click on the details to see why it was kicked back.
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SGM Jeff Mccloud
most common reasons are:
ACFT date not within rated period
no ACFT noted and no reason given
disallowed comments about ACFT or profile
non-rated time and/or codes incorrect
rater addressing potential or sr rater addressing performance
rater mentioned something on a 1059
rater and sr rater signed out of order
ACFT date not within rated period
no ACFT noted and no reason given
disallowed comments about ACFT or profile
non-rated time and/or codes incorrect
rater addressing potential or sr rater addressing performance
rater mentioned something on a 1059
rater and sr rater signed out of order
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SGM Jeff Mccloud
I should also mention just how common this is.
Depending on where you work in the Army, you can expect a 30-50% kickback rate on NCOERs (and OERs) for common errors.
For all our talk about attention to detail, we just don't practice what we preach when evals come up due or overdue.
Depending on where you work in the Army, you can expect a 30-50% kickback rate on NCOERs (and OERs) for common errors.
For all our talk about attention to detail, we just don't practice what we preach when evals come up due or overdue.
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What probably happened is that HQDA kicked it back after their review and found things in error. The errors are reported to the Rater and Senior Rater. As you are the last person to sign prior to submission, you are the first person to UNSIGN in order for corrections to be made.
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I keep coming back to this post, and I have to ask....why would you think your Chain is trying to sabotage you?
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This is extremely common, I wouldn't assume anything negative is happening.
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I honestly think HRC kicked it back for administrative technicalities not perfectly aligned with NCOER regulations (already mentioned by others).
I don't think they care enough to sabotage an E5's NCOER. Once an Eval goes up to HRC everyone is crossing fingers that it doesn't get kicked back. Your higher chain of command just wants the EVALS through the system. It's a huge RED FLAG for past due evals to your Field Grade commanders and that stress trickles down to Company level commanders.
If your chain of command wanted to really truly sabotage you they need to line up their ducks PRIOR to the Eval. Anything derogatory NEEDS to be backed up with counselings, regulations, or black and white ACFT/HT failures, or failures in schools, or black and white ART15's or EO investigations, etc....
So if none of that is already lined up then you're going to get a "meets standard" NCOER.
To protect yourself I'd get a copy of the version you signed already, compare it against the new version they want you to resign and if you have issues with it take both copies to the Inspector General BEFORE you sign it.
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Honestly............. I think it's an administrative kick back from HRC.
If they have it out for you and didn't back it up with documentation then HRC is probably going to force them to take the STING out of the verbage.
I don't think they care enough to sabotage an E5's NCOER. Once an Eval goes up to HRC everyone is crossing fingers that it doesn't get kicked back. Your higher chain of command just wants the EVALS through the system. It's a huge RED FLAG for past due evals to your Field Grade commanders and that stress trickles down to Company level commanders.
If your chain of command wanted to really truly sabotage you they need to line up their ducks PRIOR to the Eval. Anything derogatory NEEDS to be backed up with counselings, regulations, or black and white ACFT/HT failures, or failures in schools, or black and white ART15's or EO investigations, etc....
So if none of that is already lined up then you're going to get a "meets standard" NCOER.
To protect yourself I'd get a copy of the version you signed already, compare it against the new version they want you to resign and if you have issues with it take both copies to the Inspector General BEFORE you sign it.
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Honestly............. I think it's an administrative kick back from HRC.
If they have it out for you and didn't back it up with documentation then HRC is probably going to force them to take the STING out of the verbage.
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Could be a few things. Maybe your rater or reviewer wants to make changes, wording, bullets, rating levels, before it’s finalized. Sometimes it’s just admin cleanup, but if they’re being shady or vague, definitely push for answers. Don’t unsign anything until you know exactly why.
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