Why would junior enlisted Soldiers get into contract marriages?
More work, less money, and fewer benefits.
Geographic bachelor. Assigned unaccompanied orders. Schools, TAD, isolated duty stations.
<p>1. You get paid less money, yes I understand how BAH works, but 9/10 people getting BAH are pocketing a nice sum of money. </p>
<p>2. Your rank holds little to no value as a single soldier. A married PVT doesn't get called in for work after hours or during the weekend, but a single SPC damn sure will. Because your not married, you automatically have no life.</p>
<p>3. You cant live in peace. Staff Duty and CQ is always out to make you clean up some other guys mess or to round you up for a detail on the weekend. It got so bad we would actually hang out in parking lots and other random parts of post just to avoid them.</p>
<p>4. You don't want to ever un-pack or settle in, because they can always randomly decide to re-organize the barracks for no reason and make you move. Happened to me quite a bit.</p>
<p>5. No one cares about your well-being, or your problems. We had roaches the size of my fingers. Living ones and dead ones everywhere. When we complained, no one cared. The FSBP doesn't live in the barracks, so they don't give a shit. I ended up living off post paying rent out of pocket after waking up to a fat long cockroach crawling up my arm at night.</p>
<p>6. Everyone gets meal deductions... as much as that sucks on its own because no one enjoys the difac food..... even if your units difac is shut down. Guys in my unit had to walk for a while to eat at another units difac. If the closest unit to ours Difac was also shut down, you had to walk another couple miles to the other side of post for food.</p>
<p>7. Most of your NCO's and leaders at no point lived in barracks. They make standards for you that are very impractical. </p><p> </p>
<p>8. You have no power or control over the way you live. If your water goes cold, or your fridge or microwave breaks, your at the mercy of whenever FSBP feels like getting a work order, or when they feel like following up or getting an ETA. Even if your willing to pay to get it fixed, its not happening. All of our dryers in our laundry room broke, soldiers started writing "Broken" with the date on specific dryers to inform other soldiers which washers and dryers were broken. After a couple months, we just started driving to another brigade to do laundry.</p><p><br>9. Not enough room. After being in the Army for 2 deployments, there was no way I could fit all my ACU CIF, ACU RFI, and Multicam RFI neatly into one room. In total I had 4 duffell bags, 2 ruck sacks, then a tough box, Medic Bags, Assault Pack's, 3 day rucks etc... all of theese filled with TA-50 I was accountable for. It is almost impossible to keep all of this in a tiny room in a neat and orderly fashion. Dont be shocked when roaches die inside your TA-50 either.</p><p><br>10. The Chain of Command/FSBP doesnt care about the barracks until the soldiers take pictures and post it on U.S. Army W.T.F Moments. They are more powerful then the IG.</p><span lang=""><p> </p><p>Dont be surprised when soldiers start gay marrying each other to move out of the barracks. At first it was just a joke when DADT got re-appealed among my 11b and 19d friends .Now its seriously happening. </p></span>
When was the last time you saw the married personnel called in no notice to stand inspection?
SPC Smith, Obviously I haven't been on this thread for a wile. I'm Just reading your comment now. Not sure what you thought was personal about my previous response here, Maybe Passionate. I gave you my guesstimate, I agreed that Pay sucks. I think I may have said something along the lines of we signed up for this, we knew what we were getting into, etc etc etc. But I stuck to my Values, which tells me that defrauding the Government no matter how you do it, is wrong. Defrauding anyone is wrong. I feel like the money that I earn, the money that feeds my family, is well deserved. You said Spouses move into the barracks, I don't know about all that. How bout lets actually fill our existing On Post Family Housing before paying out BAH and OHA. I live in Stairwell Apartment style housing My building has about 12 empty apartments, same with the building across the street, and just about every other building here. Yet there are Soldiers Living off Post Collecting OHA. Kind of Dumb to me.
SPC Gamble, Why would we need to build 400,000 housing units? I would say that by now, there should be ample barracks, and Family housing Space available, at this point in the draw down, and there's only going to be more rooms and homes opening up.
Not a ticket to paradise... So they should be treated poorly just because they are single? What about the total cost? ALL service members aren't entitled to it? Just because you don't agree?
SGT Blackburn, Not arguing with your point, you are correct. Anyone can marry anyone they want, for what ever reason. The prosecution for (FRAUD) comes when A: the Soldier opens his mouth and brags about it B: Is caught for Adultery and later admits to a contract marriage in an attempt to avoid UCMJ * Dumb by the way C: the Soldier pisses of his new "Spouse" and they run their mouths, Etc.. etc.. etc.. No one is being prosecuted for unlawful marriage, that's ridiculous, Fraud is the charge, and the above is how it is proven.
SPC Smith your a smart young man, but you keep making the same point, saying the same things over and over and over. You keep saying that you want to see an AR or a Law. Knowing full well that one does not exist, and likely never will. I get your point, and refer to my comments to SGT Blackburn, regarding Fraud. No matter how you circumvent the system, legal loop holes, whatever it may be, if the government finds out that you intended to deceive them to gain financially then you just may get charged with, and possibly found guilty of fraud. If you are so passionate about the Subject, and you advocate contract marriages so much, then I encourage you to give it a try. You may get away with it, and you may get to break rocks at Fort Leavenworth. Its your life and your career.
What makes this a discussion? Are we not already close to losing 5% of our BAH? Why try to justify Soldiers taking money out of your pocket, away from your quality of life programs, training, facility upkeep, MWR and Boss programs? Each and every one of these Soldiers who SHOULD be living in the barracks already provided for them is hurting our readiness, and they are not living up to the Army Values. Of course this is not the only unnecessary monetary pay out effecting the mission. But its not helping. When was the last time you can remember going to the range every quarter? Its been a wile, because we cannot afford it. Just an example.
A soldier can brag all they want but the moment you try and out them you better be right because if you can’t that they are actually committing fraud then it’s your ass out the door. Just let it go