Posted on Sep 5, 2021
Will Senior Leaders Who Refuse COVID Vaccination Receive Court Martial?
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Now that a FDA approved COVID vaccine is available, the military meets the requirements set by Doe v Rumsfeld and can lawfully order Servicemembers to receive the vaccination. Because the act of COVID vaccination is so politically charged, there will almost certainly be senior grades who refuse it. Those who have their hands on the pulse of the current command climate: will the military make examples of senior grade NCOs and Officers who refuse to get vaccinated?
The military orders I have read in the press seem to indicate that those who refuse the vaccine will be dealt with administratively. However, I would think that the refusal by a commander would be against the good order of the military and set a bad example. A well publicized court martial would certainly send a message to those seeking a pension.
The military orders I have read in the press seem to indicate that those who refuse the vaccine will be dealt with administratively. However, I would think that the refusal by a commander would be against the good order of the military and set a bad example. A well publicized court martial would certainly send a message to those seeking a pension.
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I remember having to take the Japanese Encephalitis vaccine before it was FDA approved. Anthrax too. Refusal to comply with a legal order is a UCMJ offense. Typical outcome is an administrative separation with whatever label comes with any specific extracurriculars you toss into it. In the Grand Scheme, the military most always looks for the path of least resistance to wash its hands of a problem. In the commercial sector, the requirement is a term and condition of employment. Many times it becomes a topic for bargaining under the relevant CBA. Even then, management can require it. Suits in this area would relate to management not dealing with the union. Not liking the result would be tough getting a judge to stay the requirement. This stuff isn't new.
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How did it happen? It became political from the top. We had senior elected officials wavering on the vaccine and the disease, one moment calling it a hoax the next minute backtracking. At the same time, our unelected but highly qualified civilians in Government never wavering on the seriousness of the virus. To this day, because of that lack of political support, too many people won't do what ordinarily would be an obvious duty to our friends, neighbors, and country. It strikes me as odd that except for a few outliers, the medical community is completely in favor of the recommendations of the CDC, yet so many people are true believers of scams and con artists. They rely on tiny studies that mean almost nothing in scientific terms to support claims. It's astounding how ignorant of the scientific process our people as whole are and how, as science learns more, it's recommendations might change.
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I just noticed the article below from Military.com
Congressman Mark Green says: "No American who raises their hand to serve our Nation should be punished for making a highly personal medical decision."
"The Pentagon has repeatedly stopped short of saying it will boot troops for refusing the shot. Commanders will have a range of options that stop short of punishment under the Uniform Code of Military Justice."
"In any case, the bill is unlikely to be signed into law until months after all the military services are enforcing COVID-19 inoculations."
If this bill becomes law, any Servicemember would be able to veto any medical treatment. That potentially means a lot of non-deployable Servicemembers.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/09/02/lawmakers-try-ban-dishonorable-discharges-troops-who-refuse-mandatory-covid-19-vaccines.html
Congressman Mark Green says: "No American who raises their hand to serve our Nation should be punished for making a highly personal medical decision."
"The Pentagon has repeatedly stopped short of saying it will boot troops for refusing the shot. Commanders will have a range of options that stop short of punishment under the Uniform Code of Military Justice."
"In any case, the bill is unlikely to be signed into law until months after all the military services are enforcing COVID-19 inoculations."
If this bill becomes law, any Servicemember would be able to veto any medical treatment. That potentially means a lot of non-deployable Servicemembers.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/09/02/lawmakers-try-ban-dishonorable-discharges-troops-who-refuse-mandatory-covid-19-vaccines.html
Lawmakers Try to Ban Dishonorable Discharges for Troops Who Refuse Mandatory COVID-19 Vaccines
Legislation sponsored by Rep. Mark Green requires only honorable discharges for anyone separated over refusing to be vaccinated.
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LTC Lars Staack
CPT Christopher Stanco - Did you feel the same way when you received your Smallpox vaccination?
Of course not, you never received a smallpox vaccination. That's because Smallpox was eradicated in the US in 1952 and the world in 1980 because of compulsory Smallpox vaccinations. The U.S. Supreme Court upheld the states authority to enforce compulsory vaccination laws with Jacobson v. Massachusetts in 1905. The Court ruled that individual liberty is not absolute and is subject to the police power of the state.
Of course not, you never received a smallpox vaccination. That's because Smallpox was eradicated in the US in 1952 and the world in 1980 because of compulsory Smallpox vaccinations. The U.S. Supreme Court upheld the states authority to enforce compulsory vaccination laws with Jacobson v. Massachusetts in 1905. The Court ruled that individual liberty is not absolute and is subject to the police power of the state.
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CW4 Guy Butler
LTC Lars Staack Some of us received 3 smallpox vaccinations. Once in 1968, once in 2003, and once in 2014.
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LTC Lars Staack
CW4 Guy Butler - Really? I received one in 1970 as part of 3rd grade immunizations, but I thought that Smallpox immunizations ceased after 1980. I know they were only good for 10 years.
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CW4 Guy Butler
LTC Lars Staack In 2003 they decided Iraq *might* have biological weapons… better safe than sorry.
In 2014, I was in a C2CRE-A unit, and (mumbles divide by 4 carry the 2 and multiply by zero) it was determined that the smallpox vaccination was probably only good for 10 years. That being the case…
Summary: Standard scar from 68. Minor reaction 2003. Ummmm… is something supposed to happen? 2014.
STILL better than the anthrax series.
In 2014, I was in a C2CRE-A unit, and (mumbles divide by 4 carry the 2 and multiply by zero) it was determined that the smallpox vaccination was probably only good for 10 years. That being the case…
Summary: Standard scar from 68. Minor reaction 2003. Ummmm… is something supposed to happen? 2014.
STILL better than the anthrax series.
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Which FDA Approved vaccine is available? Last I saw Cominarty (or however it is spelled) is approved - but is not available.
Which means there is still no approved vaccine, and in line with the Anthrax ruling, mandate for an EUA vaccine is questionable, at best.
Which means there is still no approved vaccine, and in line with the Anthrax ruling, mandate for an EUA vaccine is questionable, at best.
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How about we treat the illness, not focus on the vax so much.
The medications to TREAT THE Illness are not being used.
Anyone else see this as odd??
The medications to TREAT THE Illness are not being used.
Anyone else see this as odd??
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I couldn't retire until I got the flu shot. They can suck up the vaccine. It only sucks for a day or two.
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I agree. Further, troops must be fit to mobilize to hostile unvaccinated areas. Courts martial any who refuse.
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