Posted on Feb 27, 2021
SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA
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Since military benefits are lost on day 61 of a criminal conviction, will we finally see the retired and/or separated insurrectionist veterans lose their retirements, GI/9-11 bills, and VA benefits and stop them leeching off a government they wanted to overturn in the first place?

In addition, will we see their respective services follow precedent and subject those retirees to Court Martials, as they are still bound by UCMJ after retirement?
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LTC Patrick Turner
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They are not insurrectionists. You've bought into the Pelosi narrative. They were not rebels nor trying to destroy our government. Those insurrectionists are the criminal rebels in Minneapolis and Portland, among others, who killed, robbed and burnt down blocks at a time. If these retirees were in violation of participating in a riot then they should be prosecuted.
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Col Jonathan Brazee
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Getting upset over the term "insurrectionist" and citing Pelosi really makes no difference to the heart of the question. The facts are that 430 people have been arrested for their part in the January 6th event, whatever you want to call it. If convicted, the question posed is a valid one. Will retirees and vets who are convicted of various crimes lose their benefits and/or retired pay? Will they be court martialed? I don't know the answer to that.

These are legal and administrative questions that really don't have anything to do with any of our (posters here) political leanings.

MSG Joseph Cristofaro's post below does get into the nuts and bolts of the question.
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TSgt James Warfield
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Col Jonathan Brazee - You sir scare me. If others of your rank feel the same way you do.
Why was what happen on Jan, 6, so different then, what we have seen in Major Cities across this country? What a bout all the destruction that occurred in Washington DC. the Defacing of monuments, the fire, and yes people did try to breach the WH, the difference was it was heavily defended. Like I said know one talks about the breach of Federal buildings across the country. There is sure a lot of silence on the 100 hundreds of know, AFTIA members and BLM that were amongst this group, encouraging and edging people on.
No what is happening now is that we have a government that is screening active military people about their political beliefs with no goal post, it seems all they had to do was be against this new administration or not part of the woke crowd.
The oath taken is to defend against threat from both foreign and domestic.
I scares me that some one of your rank is so quick to take the side of the media, and the talking points of many in congress who have no love for this country.
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Col Jonathan Brazee
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TSgt James Warfield - And it scares me that you choose to read into my post and resort to whataboutism. This is the way we continue to grow the divide.

A question was asked. Others chose to delve into the politics by trying to state what the events on Jan 6 were or weren't, which really doesn't have much to do with the question at hand.

As I posted, people were arrested, and the question was raised that IF convicted, would they lose their benefits and retired pay. A few other posters, such as MSG Joseph Cristofaro, answered the question. To be frank, I didn't know the answer for certain.

What happened during the summer in DC or in cities such as Portland are certainly significant, and as pointed out in other threads, people who participated in them have been arrested and charged with seditios conspiracy, among other things. But what has that to do with the events on Jan 6 in DC? Each event is different and unrelated to the other, and the legal system is in the process of addressing them as deemed appropriate.

I personally believe that getting into hot topic political discussions on social media is a huge waste of time and brain cells as they are rarely ever discussions but rather clarion calls for one tribe or the other. With that in mind, I never stated what I thought of the events themselves, nor have I stated what I thought of other events over the course of last year. All I have stated is that arguing or getting upset about how something is referred to has nothing to do with the question at hand. In this specific thread, Pelosi has no say nor impact on whether anyone convicted would lose their retired pay or VA benefits, just as, let's say, Hawley has no say nor impact on if those convicted of crimes in Portland would lose their retired pay or VA benefits.

As far as "of your rank," I'm retired, so my rank carries no more weight than that of anyone else. We all have one vote.
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So, they're both criminals. Doesn't have to be one or the other because everything is polarized. Everyone is capable of being an asshole.
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The June 6th "insurrectionists" or the summer of 2020 "insurrectionists"? Are you differentiating or cherry picking?
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PO3 Terry Lee
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SPC Chris Ison - There is just too much air between your ears. The problem is that stupid people never realize that they are.
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SPC Chris Ison
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PO3 Terry Lee - Okay so once again, I am going to say it.

I am not sure who you THINK you are speaking to. But you up voted my comment, and then insulted me. So, I naturally assumed that you may have made a mistake as to who you were addressing your replies too.

But now you have pulled the genie out of the box, you ignorant twit.

I quote:

PO2 David McNamara <-------Notice this guy? IS NOT ME.
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PO3 Terry Lee - "Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Democrat of New York, participated in a demonstration with climate change activists at the office of House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi."
News Story Published November 13, 2018.
Are you okay? You're not taking antidepressants or anything like that are you? You seeing Qanon propaganda hiding under your bed or in your closet or something? Are you having conspiracy delusions about the Proud Boys? If you're taking psychotropics please safely taper off the dose until you don't have to take them anymore; for your own good, health, and safety.

You were wanting to speak to the quack wacko not me, but sense you are apparently too fucking stupid to follow a conversation, I am going to have find that the only person here needing to adjust there operating headspace and timing is YOU.

Next time, you fucking retarded fuck, don't bite the hand...
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PO3 Terry Lee
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I know you have a problem getting past the "I know you are but what am I" phase. So let me make the as clear as your limited comprehension will allow. YOU IDIOT! You cannot believe that bulling with your meaningless crap will work. I've nothing to prove to you and as I said. Stupid people do not realize that they are. This also applies to those that are crazy and bizarre. We can keep this up as long as your feeble mind can keep repeating the same delusional post.
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PO2 David McNamara - You're sort of all over, man. You said that having a mask makes your blood/co2 level increase, the retort was "no it doesn't. the American Lug Association says so" and you're response was "well...they dont work anyway!"
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While there are Supreme Court rulings that provide for certain retirees to be called back to active duty and tried under UCMJ, many retirees do not fall in that category such as Reservists and National Guard retirees.
Among the problems with your statement, if a retiree is charged under the Federal law, they are protected against being called back and charged under UCMJ for the same offense due to double jeopardy rules.
DOJ previously reported that most of the people who broke into Congress are being charged with entering and remaining in a restricted building, not seditious conspiracy or treason.
BTW, the DOJ charged some of the rioters in Portland who attacked the Federal courthouse for seditious conspiracy.
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MSG Joseph Cristofaro
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SSG Wayne Wood -
The State ones were, not the Federal ones
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SSG Wayne Wood
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MSG Joseph Cristofaro - I was under the impression the DOJ dropped them, too. Glad to hear otherwise.
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MSG Joseph Cristofaro
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SSG Wayne Wood -
There are various reports that out of 90 rioters who were charged, 31 were dropped. In almost every situation such as a riot, some charges will be dropped after prosecutors review the cases. Sometimes it is due to factors such as lack of eyewitnesses.
In the State's case, the Portland prosecutor refused to charge the vast majority of rioters
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MSG Joseph Cristofaro
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I think the standard was set by Obamas DOJ Holder. He was a pretty good fluffer and used the DOJ to push liberal policies
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