Posted on Feb 27, 2021
SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA
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Since military benefits are lost on day 61 of a criminal conviction, will we finally see the retired and/or separated insurrectionist veterans lose their retirements, GI/9-11 bills, and VA benefits and stop them leeching off a government they wanted to overturn in the first place?

In addition, will we see their respective services follow precedent and subject those retirees to Court Martials, as they are still bound by UCMJ after retirement?
Edited 3 y ago
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SSgt G Wingate
Let's see.....maybe!!! I mean just think of the noon if they call them back in under UCMJ and are able to charge them with weight and hair regulation infractions!! Oh goodie goodie a burn a palooza!! ..... get a life dude.
SSgt G Wingate
SSgt G Wingate
3 y
"boon" not noon lol, I was so giddy writing this!
SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA
SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA
3 y
I know, giddiness has caused me to mistype more than once. Retired CSMs are loosing their minds because of it.
SSgt G Wingate
SSgt G Wingate
3 y
Boon not noon
SGT Joseph Dutton
If any Veteran or retiree is convicted of any crime they lose all federal governmental benefits they are receiving. VA Compensation, All Government Retirement (MIL, CIV SER & RR) & Social Security. Retirees, Active Duty & Reservist can and mot likely will face a Court Martial under the UCMJ. National Guard Members can also be Court Martialed under their States UCMJ as well as The Federal UCMJ. Also all could see trials in civilian courts as well.
CAPT Edward Schmitt
Sgt Rojas I just re-read my comments. I apologize for my uncivil tone. You asked a reasonable question and I need to remember to always be respectful to my fellow veterans. I will do better in the future
CAPT Edward Schmitt
CAPT Edward Schmitt
3 y
Thanks Gunny, I appreciate your input.
SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA
SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA
3 y
GySgt Duane Da - actually, my tone was one of presenting a question, backed up with SCOTUS reasoning and precedent.
At some point, you also have to do actual research if you are going to be my judge, jury, and executioner.
SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA
SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA
3 y
CAPT Edward Schmitt the sheer number of responses did not allow me to see your original post, or perhaps it escapes my memory.
But the bottom line is, we can all agree, or disagree, and still remain civil and logical when arguing points.
I appreciate the apology, although I think there was no need for it.
We are all human and have our moments.
Have a great weekend CPT.
CAPT Edward Schmitt
CAPT Edward Schmitt
3 y
SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA SGT your original statement was that these people were/are insurrectionists. You had already stated that they had tried to overthrow the government. You had set yourself up as judge and jury. I stated that they were not trying to overthrow the government. The only claims of insurrection I have seen are on liberal media and some members of Congress. If your intent was to ask whether they would lose benefits/retirement IF they were convicted of insurrection I do not know. I just know that in my opinion they rioted, they did not try to overthrow the government.
CW3 Michael Schroer
So, guilty before before proven innocent....Glad you think you live in a dictatorship Sarge!
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I said this earlier and I'll say it again... No statue in the Capitol was pulled down, as would have been the case had Antifa or BLM invaded the building. No painting was desecrated. No act of arson was committed. No gun was drawn, or brandished, or fired by Proud Boys or Oath Keepers or Trumpists within the building.

The lone victim of gunfire in the Capitol that day was an un armed Air Force veteran with a decade of service, Ashli Babbitt, who was shot in the neck by a Capitol cop from the other side of a closed door to the speaker’s chamber.
PO2 Ramon Cintron
They are regardless of anyone's thoughts, criminals!!
SP5 John Clark
If they were active duty they would be subject to UCMJ in addition to state and federal law. If not active they will be subject to State and federal law.
SSG Robert Perrotto
Insurrection is your opinion, not what any of those arrested have been charged with. To answer your question, retiree's. or VA disabled would have to be convicted of a felony, criminal trespass is a misdemeanor, which is what the majority of those arrested have been charged with. None of the rioters murdered anyone, despite what SFC Hellenbrand claims. So - the requirement to lose benefits is felony conviction +61 days of incarceration - re-instated after they are released from jail.
CH (CPT) Jerry McGowin
will first off this is silly to call what happened an attempt to over through the country. Political theater at best. Secondly, they likely will face Military code of conduct violations and if convicted, Leavenworth !?
CMSgt Gassie Orr III
Edited 3 y ago
You only lose VA benefits after 60 days not military retirement. But I agree if they are listed as seditionist they should lose any benefits.
CMSgt Gassie Orr III
You only lose VA benefits after 60 days not military retirement

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