Posted on Mar 18, 2014
With the change to the selection to CGSC, should the Army get CGSC accredited and award a Masters degree like other services?
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Unlike the other service schools who award Masters degrees for completing their Intermediate Level Education (ILE), students at the Command and General Staff College (CGSC) at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, must take additional classes to complete a Masters. Either that or they must opt to take civilian Masters degrees at the same time they are in school. If the Army is being selective again about who gets into CGSC, is it time to award those who complete the course a Masters degree which is fitting to the level of education supposedly being provided? Does a follow on to the School of Advanced Military Studies then, provide another Masters or work towards a PhD, something the military is espousing as desired in the senior ranks?
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For those interested, the Command and General Staff College (CGSC) grants the Master of Military Arts and Science (MMAS) Degree based on the information contained below:
http://www.cgsc.edu/doa/gdp.asp
LTC Halvorson, could you provide the information on other services granting corresponding degree with levels of military education program...would be interested in reading through their requirements.
This is an ongoing discussion for USASMA students. :)
http://www.cgsc.edu/doa/gdp.asp
LTC Halvorson, could you provide the information on other services granting corresponding degree with levels of military education program...would be interested in reading through their requirements.
This is an ongoing discussion for USASMA students. :)
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From the Naval War College's page: The Naval War College has been accredited by the New England Association of Schools and Colleges (NEASC) since 1 March 1985 to award the Master of Arts Degree in National Security and Strategic Studies to eligible resident students. Beginning in the fall of 2001, the accreditation was extended to the College of Distance Education’s (CDE) Fleet Seminar Program (FSP) in the Washington, D.C. area. Today, students at all FSP sites have the opportunity to pursue a course of study leading to the awarding of the degree
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That's basically it. Same for the Air Force. No additional requirements. Just the course itself. Unlike CGSC in the Army, all you have to do is complete the course. I don't know what the curriculum is like however. One would expect it to be more rigorous and there would definitely be a Thesis or monograph necessary.
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Absolutely! As a former ILE instructor I pushed this when I was there. The problem seems to be another political problem more than a technical one. The other services award Masters degrees for their PME. The Army doesn't apparently because there is some deal with Central Michigan University that says if you want your Masters, you have to pay them for it. Army War College however awards us with a Masters in Strategic Studies, which is good, but it means that we/Army are one step behind the other services who award their CGSC equivalent graduates with Masters degrees. I'm in a Masters program right now through Columbia Southern University and they will give graduate level credit for my PME but I had to get a transcript from Leavenworth and send it to them. And even then it is only worth 15 credit hours. Woefully inadequate compared to the work we all put in to get through CAS3 and CGSC.
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Amen to that. It seems that we ran into a road-block somewhere and didn't go the extra mile to make it happen. It's time to make that right.
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CPT Aaron Kletzing
Gentlemen, how would the process work to initiate the accreditation for CGSC? I assume it would start at HQDA level, but do we know which office? Thanks! - V/R, Aaron
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Sir, though I was too junior to attend any of these courses, based on your insights here, my answer would be yes -- that CGSC should get accredited. I'd be interested to know people's opinions as well on whether Big Army is going to be putting more emphasis than before on grad and post-grad academic degrees, in terms of promotion. Note: I don't have data on whether this focus fell off at all during the wars.
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