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I just graduated WLC, and I am very motivated to go to ALC as soon as possible to learn more, as soon as possible. However, I am on orders to Korea and I will not be bringing my family with me. I am kind of torn between trying to go before I PCS or waiting until after I PCS from Korea to attend. What would be the better decision? I'm not promotable yet, I would just like to attend before it is actually required for me to go.
Advanced Leaders Course (ALC formerly BNCOC)
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Posted 12 y ago
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Take a knee, breath, take what you learned in WLC first. See if you can employ what you learned, its a lot harder to lead than memorize PowerPoint slides. Once you feel your good to go, then worry about ALC.
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This was a topic when I was at alc since there were a few that werent promotable and the reason it was a topic was because you could tell...immature responses, not knowledgeable with regs policy, or have the ability to lead something as simple as pt. You should be promotable in order to attend alc in my opinion but they allow non promotables to attend
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In my opinion SSG, just because you have a "P" next to your rank doesn't mean that you're more mature than someone who doesn't.
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Sir, once a NCO is in the primary they can be selected to attend their specific MOS ALC even if they are not promotable. As seats come available and the need to assign NCOs to fill class seats is not met by SGT/P or SSG they will reach down into the nonpromotable population.
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You're in the right mindset, I like it. In my experience I could have used WLC a lot earlier in my career. Probably more as an E-4 and below than an E-5. With that, ALC would have benefited me greatly as an E-5 team leader. I was actually angry that I didn't have that training earlier. Nothing in ALC was over my head, or "above my level". Everything is taught from the manuals, and you have good instructors for the most part that want you to succeed. As a Scout we have an extreme range of skills and our ALC Phase 2 is very challenging, but like I said, everything is taught to you. Nothing is a mystery, and you have a good environment to grasp the material.
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SSG Feely, I also believe that WLC would have benefited me more as Jr enlisted. That is why I'm ready to go to ALC now, I feel like I'm behind on the pitch. I think that WLC should be like SSD1 and be required before promotion to SGT, and then once promoted to SGT ALC would be required.
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Great observation! I agree 100%.
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SGT Starnater,
I applaud your enthusiasm - I grow tired of sitting in NCOES graduation ceremonies and seeing NCOs going though the course because they have to go instead of having gotten it knocked out earlier in their career. The problem you will find is that I am sure there is a ton of SSGs on the OML waiting to go to ALC.
With that said ALC and SLC is a simple 4187 request to your S3 schools. Trying to work it into a PCS is a HRC decision and your branch manager can facilitate that. Contact branch and see if they will allow you to go with heading to Korea - again chances are good they will not send you because there is a backlog they have to work through.
If you don't get it going to Korea start talking to your branch manager 5 months into your Kore tour about getting TDY in route to your next duty station.
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Good on you for the enthusiasm. Take a knee, spend more time in the operational Army using the stuff you learned in WLC, and PCS with TDY en Route at the end of your Korea tour.
ALC is a course designed to certify Staff Sergeants in the 30 level tasks for their MOS. The ALC-CC is designed for SMCT 30 level tasks. This means that the curriculum builds on the assumption that you've done some of this stuff already.
ALC is a course designed to certify Staff Sergeants in the 30 level tasks for their MOS. The ALC-CC is designed for SMCT 30 level tasks. This means that the curriculum builds on the assumption that you've done some of this stuff already.
I have a few students who attended WLC as waived Specialists and have less than three years TIS by the time they hit ALC. They don't necessarily do poorly but they can't make the connection between the terminal learning objectives of the lesson plans and their day-to-day duty performance.
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