Posted on Sep 13, 2016
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If a fresh 2LT/ENS ordered an E9 to attention because of a disagreement, would the E9 have to comply? What would possibly happen?
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PO3 Hospital Corpsman
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It wont be pretty for the O1(especially if he is just got his GWOT last night).
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LCDR J2/J6
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As a Navy O-3 training at an Army command before deployment to Afghanistan, I called an Army CSM to attention. Why? Because from 30 feel away, in front of my junior enlisted, he screamed, "Hey, LT, get your ass over here right now!!" and pointed at the ground right at his feet. I turned to him and said CSM, can I help you? To which he repeated himself. I pointed to a telephone pole nearby and told him I'd meet him over there. When he arrived, his unprofessional tone continued and he stepped into my personal space. At that point, I placed him at attention and explained that I was a 39-year old Navy O-3 and that while I respected his device greatly, I would not be treated in such a way as to undermine my authority with my sailors. Was he butt hurt about it? You bet. Did we have a conversation with the O-6? No because he knew I was right. So there may be a time when it's OK. But those times should be really really rare.
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Service, not device. Ugh.
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Sgt Red Ford
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Ugh! Prissy butterbars. As a lowly E-5 my car wouldn't start so I jogged/power walked 2 miles to my squadron in a lovely North Carolina summer. I was just about to hit the hanger when a butterbar came walking out. My mind on being late and in a hurry I blew past him without saluting. He called me out on it and I apologized and saluted. He then proceeded to lecture me on a salute being a show of respect for officers. I replied that a salute was a courtesy extended to officers. In his position he was given the opportunity to earn our respect. I ended up having a conversation with the CO, again. (We knew each other fairly well by then.) The CO agreed with my point and strongly suggested that I remember to extend the proper courtesy to officers in the future. I don't know what transpired between the CO and the Lieutenant after I was dismissed but the next day the Lieutenant stopped by my shop and had a decent conversation with me. We ended up getting along fairly well.
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Yet another story but true.

CSM Du, little angry man from the Philippines . At the time CSM for 3rd BDE 2nd ID at Ft Lewis.
This 2nd LT had the intestinal fortitude to tell CSM Du to go to the position of attention when talking to him. He did this in front of the BDE CMD Col. Townsend, who is now Ft Bragg deputy CMDR. The LT was told to grab his S%#$ and find a new job....... he was gone never to be seen again. CSM Du smoked the entire BDE a few times including officers up to the O4 level.
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SSgt Security Forces
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Yes it can happen, and has happened - at my previous Army unit during my decade of membership before I transferred into the AF. It was at that point we (as NCO's) learned that our new PL was a flagrant douche, yet, we said nothing. About an hour later, both the SGM and the PL were in the Commander's office and the SGM could be heard screaming at the PL (while taking corrective action at the Commander's behest). It wasn't pretty, and our PL remained subdued and in an observational/learning capacity for several weeks, following that incident. He actually turned out to be a pretty good leader once he was made aware of his surroundings, and his place in the pecking order. No frivolous paperwork, no ridiculous notions, just a loud and swift redirect, and he did well without losing his motivation and morale. He's a Commander, now....and a good one, from what I've been told.
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PO1 Ron Clark
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The E9 is required by UCMJ to come to attention, because even though the O1 is a junior officer, he is a Commissioned Officer and therefore the E9's superior. The O1 calling this E9 to attention in front of his troops would not be the brightest bulb in the light socket. One way would be for the O1 to tell the E9 that he would like to speak to him after formation privately! IJS!
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SSgt Martin Wise
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I come from a very different time. Today as I see it many things have changed in our military in all branches. I was in back in the early 80's and a 01 or an 02 for that matter would never even think of trying to call an E9 out like that. An 03 might think twice and use some tact in addressing the E9

In 83 I was at Little Rock AFB and our flight line expediter was and E9. We had a training crew that didn't want to fly and repeatedly would break the airplane in efforts to not fly the mission. Our E9 got fed up and went into to flight deck and told the 03 in the left seat to either fly or get off his acft. The 03 snapped at the E9 and found his flight bags being thrown out the crew entrance door. The E9 told the 03 to meet him in his commander's office in 20. Outcome was the 03 flew the mission and kept his mouth shut.
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SSG Michael Petsch
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I once was told, "Respect the Colonel, Fear the CSM."
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CSM Louis Rothenstein
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Absolutely. Saluting all commissioned and warrant officers is written in concrete.
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LCpl Domingo Ariza
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He should demonstrate leadership by example however, you can bet that the 01 will catch hell from the O's that are above him and the two them probably won't have that issue again.
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