Posted on Sep 13, 2016
Would an E9 comply if ordered to attention by an O1?
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I am glad to say I had mostly good officers and many great NCOs also while I was in. I was a Spc and more than once I had officers and NCOs who reported to me for details. I didn't deal with many LTs, but the CPT I normally worked with would ask for my advice and follow it with no problems. The one-time I had an issue with an LT was when I was driving the BDE CMD, I had am LT order me out of the vehicle and he had me do h push-ups in the middle of the road, I was only up to about 10 when the COL ordered me to recover and count for the LT who then proceeded to attempt 82 push-ups. That was an eye opener for me 2 weeks out of AIT.
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Yes, and then in private, let the Lt. know how little he actually knew about the Corps, or life in general.
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A an E-9 would comply with the directive however shortly thereafter the upper echelon staff of the command would take a big giant shit on the 0-1 behind closed doors
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At FT Carson in the 90s I seen a CSM and 1SG rip a 1LT new asshole....nnw that is reality tv
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As a young O1 many years ago, I could only laugh at a fellow 2LT that thought they would set the world on fire. I, however, being the son of an E8 knew what they did not. "Eyes Open, Mouth Shut". Listen to your PSG, he knows a hell of a lot more than you, learn from him, and stay the hell out of his way. And never, EVER ask one of your troops to do something you are not willing to do yourself. I got right in there and worked along side them, doing their job with them, so I knew what they were going through. My masters degree don't mean shit in the field.
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Had to deal with a 2Lt overseas who replaced my E8. The guy had no idea what the hell he was doing and was eventually reassigned somewhere else. Sending a greenhorn from the academy isn't any different from sending a greenhorn fresh from the streets.
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I saw an 01 tell an E7 what to do once. Needless to say it was the last time too. I can only imagine what would happen if an 01 even dared to speak out to an E9...better dig a hole!
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Yes but, I wouldn't want to be that 2nd Lt stationed very long with him. I was a Cpl in Nam and I didn’t listen to anyone.
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Yes, then he'd let his O5 or O6 explain to the O1 the error of his ways. I was a TAC at Arty OCS in 1971, I never let a candidate that stupid graduate, ROTC is a totally different environment. I've held the hands of puppies from USC, VMI, and the Citadel, no idiots there, at least thru the mid 80s.
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My uncle used to tell a great story about his time in the air force. My uncle went through basic, graduated tech school top of his class and they made him in instructor as an E-2. First morning as an instructor he walked into the instructors lounge area to get some coffee. A young butter bar walked up in front of him to get a cup and the pot was empty. The 2lt shouts out "I want the lowest ranking man in this office to make a pot of coffee!" My uncle started to move towards the coffee pot as the old E-8 in the corner shouts out "Sir, there is nothing on this earth lower than a second lieutenant." The Lt made the coffee.
To answer the original question, yes an E-9 has to render proper respect to all commissioned officers, even an O-1. But any O-1 that doesn't respect the value of a senior non commissioned officer failed to listen in his OCS/ROTC classes.
To answer the original question, yes an E-9 has to render proper respect to all commissioned officers, even an O-1. But any O-1 that doesn't respect the value of a senior non commissioned officer failed to listen in his OCS/ROTC classes.
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Once as an E-3 I was recovering an aircrft upon its return from a mission. The 2Lt stepped out of his aircraft and I rendered the customary salute and took his bag. He then began to tell me that his piddle bag had ruptured in the cockpit during the mission and that I needed to clean the cockpit. I politely explained to him that the jet was the responsibility of the maintainer and that the ruptired piddle bag was a bio hazard and asked him if he would mind taking care of it. He then proceeded to call me to attention and explain that it was now my responsibility then quickly turned and left me his mess. After he left the spot my flightline expiditer an E-7 asked me what had happened. I explained what had happened and he rold me not to clean it. In approximately 15 min the O-1 returned accompanied by a O-6 who then had the Lt clean the cockpit and appologized for the Lt's behavior.
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