Posted on Sep 13, 2016
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If a fresh 2LT/ENS ordered an E9 to attention because of a disagreement, would the E9 have to comply? What would possibly happen?
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MSgt Christopher Schoen
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O-1 vs E-9? If an E-9 "allows" this to happen then there is a reason and good luck to that 0-1...the nuclear fallout will be painful. But, for the most part, by law, yes. Advisable? No. I think I would rather pour cayenne pepper in my eyes than jacking up an E-9 in front of everyone.
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SFC Bruce Pettengill
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As an MP in the Army and lower enlisted soldier, we had a saying do not confuse your rank with my authority. A CSM is assigned at a minimum of a Battalion level, An 01 the maximum would be a Platoon Leader. I can't imagine the circumstances where an 01 would be in a situation where he would be ordering anyone other than his Plt members to attention. I guarantee the First Plt Sgt that worked with the 01 instructed him in the way things worked.
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SGT Chris Tilton
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I haven't seen that one before, but when I was a private in korea we had a badass csm who we knew not to trifle with. One day at the range we had a 2lt try and tell him off about some kind of range procedure. All of us privates exited the scene just far enough away so we could still hear the CSM screaming and cursing.
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PO1 Dennis DeStefano
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The way I see it is an E9 were in a conversation with the O-1 and that took a turn for the worst, a E-9 that was worthy of being called MasterChief, CSM or the other various titles would have come to attention rendered a salute and asked the O-1 to come in for a cup of coffee, where the real education would begin. Leaders applaud in public and chastise in private. The rules of the game are the same you show respect for the utensils hanging off the uniform not the years of service. I have ran into a huge amount of Officers that I had no respect for except their rank and yet it was always Yes Sir, will that be all Sir etc.

I have a seas story as well about my first week underway and my Chief Petty Officer and our new Ensign. But it pretty much goes along the same old salt stories we have all read and written.
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CPL Rich C. Snyder
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Of course he would. The total destruction of the young officer later on would be priceless to see.
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SPC Gentrie Cui
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SPC Gentrie Cui
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Edited 9 y ago
Reading these comments reminded me of this video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoUkh1wpxxg
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SSG Ray Petersen
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Of course by oath and rank of course but there had better be a good reason that an O1 is locking up that CSM... it is all situation dictation. If that CSM is doing something dumb and dangerous, of course.. other than that I would grab the popcorn and watch the hilarity unfold. I am looking to become an officer (OCS) and I will look to the SNCO's for guidance, they have the experience that I don't have and I would work hand in hand with them to build my skill set.
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CSM Troy Hester
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Yes
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MAJ Operation And Training Officer
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I saw it twice in my 24 years and both were train wrecks in the most professional manner!
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