Posted on Dec 5, 2014
Would the military remain efficient or even improve without officers? Keep it professional gentlemen!
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How far were you thinking of going with this? If someone is starting out as an officer and taking a command? Yes They are mostly learning how things go, but they chose to stand as the main target when political BS comes charging down the hill at everyone. Could they be better leaders if they started out an enlisted? Maybe but not always, I have seen a few prior enlisted that can not think their way out of a paper bag. The Academy is supposed to help them with that. We also have to keep in mind that many of the decisions that we see do not always come from where we think they do. Between regulations and the higher ups that they answer to many times they are told what to do. Also a mind that is not used to a task can come up with new ways of doing things and will not fall in to the trap of "We have always done it this way." as easily. The Senior Enlisted is there to explain when we have to do it that way and why. New Airmen/Sailors/Solders/Marines are far less likely to come up to an E9 and ask a silly question.
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The military is lead by humans, so a human would replace an officer and those humans will do the same thing officers do which means the same thing happens, nothing changes just the title.
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The primary reason behind this post is due to the pay gap between officers and enlisted Soldiers, in particularly with CSM (E-9) pay. Of course senior, field grade officers in command are responsible for vast amounts of troops, property, etc. It just seems that having specific senior enlisted pay grades that could fill certain levels of officer grade positions would save the government billions of dollars if not more. These enlisted ranks would obviously have to complete the same training that officers currently do. An option for filling flag officer level positions would be an extended pay grade level of E-10 that compared to the years of service and knowledge needed for such a level of responsibility. I completely understand the current command and control system with officers issuing the tasks they want accomplished, the "what" and the NCOs making it happen, the "how" by using assigned Soldiers. The thought that an enlisted member in any service is incapable of performing any officers job (with the same level of training) is ridiculous. This is the reason for the divide in officers vs. enlisted. We are different in many ways including current roles and responsibilities. BOTH sides of the pay scale have great and poor leaders, but in the end we are all Soldiers that bleed the same and neither is better than the other.
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The answer is simple, no.
The appointment of Officers by the President to lead the Military is based upon the US Constitution.
That is why Officers are commissioned/ appointed and those commissions/ appointments must be confirmed by the Senate.
The appointment of Officers by the President to lead the Military is based upon the US Constitution.
That is why Officers are commissioned/ appointed and those commissions/ appointments must be confirmed by the Senate.
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The days that I had to go to the multiple meetings an officer has to go were the days that I said thanks to my officers when they came back from wherever they were, so at the very least we need officers for command & staff, training meetings, ipr's, etc
The days that I had to go to the multiple meetings an officer has to go were the days that I said thanks to my officers when they came back from wherever they were, so at the very least we need officers for command & staff, training meetings, ipr's, etc
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For me i look at it like this Enlisted are SME in there specific rating/MOS. Where a Officer has to organize and figure out the resources and over see what is getting done. I know there is more then that to what an officer does just don't really know for sure.
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I say no because, sad as the fact is, we have the occasional incompetent crop up, both in the officer and NCO corps. A good senior NCO or a good officer can minimize the damage done by the incompetents while the system weeds them out.
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Wow! I am a little surprised by some of the answers. I guess if you ask a question like this you are going to get some people that just want to stir the pot, make jokes or the like. As an enlisted member the bulk of the officers that I served with were excellent. I really can't say that about the bulk of the enlisted corp. This whole question is a little absurd and feeds into a lot of insecurities. I'm more important that you. There is a mission, it takes a team to complete it. If you have the qualifications to move into an different position and you want the responsibility and pay that goes with it then do it. Not wanting to do that doesn't make you a lesser person or deserving of the compensation.
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I honestly have no clue to whom this was sent to. The responders to the post? The writer? It was a simple question really. Asking if the military could function without officer ranks. It wasn't written in a disrespectful manner.
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PO2 Jonathan Scharff
SFC (Join to see) it was sent to exactly who was stated it was sent to in the first sentence, "I am a little surprised by some of the answers." Thought that was pretty clear. The question is simple and I don't believe I stated it was written in a disrespectful manner.
Perhaps I didn't explain my answer thoroughly enough though. Let me put it this way as someone who works in health care now.
Would the healthcare system remain efficient or even improve without doctors? Keep it professional gentlemen!
Maybe then we could have all the other vital positions like experienced nurses, therapists, aides and the like all respond with exactly the same type of responses above. I mean all of these positions are vital to the proper delivery of health care. Many have degrees and infact advanced degrees. However, my response would be the same. "This whole question is a little absurd and feeds into a lot of insecurities. I'm more important that you. There is a mission, it takes a team to complete it. If you have the qualifications to move into an different position and you want the responsibility and pay that goes with it, then do it. Not wanting to do that doesn't make you a lesser person or deserving of the compensation."
That is about as clear as I can be and not in a disrespectful manner.
I thank you very much for your continue service to our nation SFC Watson. If you are away from your family during the holidays please know that there are many of us back here who are thankful for your sacrifice. We pray every day for the safe return of all our servicemen both home and abroad. Happy Holidays to you and your family!
Perhaps I didn't explain my answer thoroughly enough though. Let me put it this way as someone who works in health care now.
Would the healthcare system remain efficient or even improve without doctors? Keep it professional gentlemen!
Maybe then we could have all the other vital positions like experienced nurses, therapists, aides and the like all respond with exactly the same type of responses above. I mean all of these positions are vital to the proper delivery of health care. Many have degrees and infact advanced degrees. However, my response would be the same. "This whole question is a little absurd and feeds into a lot of insecurities. I'm more important that you. There is a mission, it takes a team to complete it. If you have the qualifications to move into an different position and you want the responsibility and pay that goes with it, then do it. Not wanting to do that doesn't make you a lesser person or deserving of the compensation."
That is about as clear as I can be and not in a disrespectful manner.
I thank you very much for your continue service to our nation SFC Watson. If you are away from your family during the holidays please know that there are many of us back here who are thankful for your sacrifice. We pray every day for the safe return of all our servicemen both home and abroad. Happy Holidays to you and your family!
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PO2 Jonathan Scharff, I stand by my comments, but do apologize for the photo. The meme was just as inappropriate as you calling my question absurd. For that I do apologize.
(1. ABSURD
wildly unreasonable, illogical, or inappropriate.)
Also, thank you for your final words. Take care.
(1. ABSURD
wildly unreasonable, illogical, or inappropriate.)
Also, thank you for your final words. Take care.
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I want to say that there are other militaries that have a single rank system.
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