Posted on Jan 30, 2015
Would you chapter an NCO with 11.5 years of service for APFT failure 8 months before his ETS date?
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I have a fellow NCO (SSG) in my unit that has been in for 11 1/2 years and does not plan to reenlist. He is currently 8 months from his ETS date. He has failed the last three APFTs (Run event) but is steadily improving, about 1 minute improvement each test. He's never been in trouble for misconduct and has never had any UCMJ against him in all his career thus far. The chain of command has initiated chapter preceedings but haven't followed through with it just yet. The commander has already imposed a bar to reenlistment. He has 98 days of leave which would put him on terminal leave in about 5 months. He's only been counseled for APFT failure once and they will not give him any diagnostic APFTs. All three have been record APFTs back to back. He is wanting to submit a 90 day school drop which would put him out of here (if approved) by April on terminal leave but is afraid there will be push back from the chain.
A little background on the guy, he came to the unit on a compassionate reassignment last April due to his child's medical needs and about 5 months after he got here he was sent over to ACAP to work there on a 6 month rotation. At this point he had already failed the APFT once. There is no organized PT where he is so he is left to do PT on his own time.
What are your thoughts on this? Should his command have sent him to work at ACAP given his situation with his assignment and the APFT? Should he be chaptered or would you just let him ETS?
A little background on the guy, he came to the unit on a compassionate reassignment last April due to his child's medical needs and about 5 months after he got here he was sent over to ACAP to work there on a 6 month rotation. At this point he had already failed the APFT once. There is no organized PT where he is so he is left to do PT on his own time.
What are your thoughts on this? Should his command have sent him to work at ACAP given his situation with his assignment and the APFT? Should he be chaptered or would you just let him ETS?
Edited 11 y ago
Posted 11 y ago
Responses: 72
SSgt Jay Dee
I never said that he should be given the boot because it's the standard. What I said was an opinion. If you read a later comment when I explained it further, you'd see what I said about a standard. There's a difference in an opinion and an order. My opinion is that he should be given the boot because to fail is just insane given the standards. The orders however, say otherwise. I will say, that although you won't get the boot after one failure, you will be ineligible for reenlist meant, adverse fitness report, restricted from promotion, and denied certain school assignments. Also, after the SECOND failure, he would have been administratively separated. Those, sir, are facts.
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It might be the second PT failure for the Corps, but I know Navy and Army it's the third one. My point was, in offering your opinion, you misspoke...
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Emotionally no.
Professionally yes....have to show we doing the right thing...
Professionally yes....have to show we doing the right thing...
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