Posted on Jan 30, 2015
Would you chapter an NCO with 11.5 years of service for APFT failure 8 months before his ETS date?
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I have a fellow NCO (SSG) in my unit that has been in for 11 1/2 years and does not plan to reenlist. He is currently 8 months from his ETS date. He has failed the last three APFTs (Run event) but is steadily improving, about 1 minute improvement each test. He's never been in trouble for misconduct and has never had any UCMJ against him in all his career thus far. The chain of command has initiated chapter preceedings but haven't followed through with it just yet. The commander has already imposed a bar to reenlistment. He has 98 days of leave which would put him on terminal leave in about 5 months. He's only been counseled for APFT failure once and they will not give him any diagnostic APFTs. All three have been record APFTs back to back. He is wanting to submit a 90 day school drop which would put him out of here (if approved) by April on terminal leave but is afraid there will be push back from the chain.
A little background on the guy, he came to the unit on a compassionate reassignment last April due to his child's medical needs and about 5 months after he got here he was sent over to ACAP to work there on a 6 month rotation. At this point he had already failed the APFT once. There is no organized PT where he is so he is left to do PT on his own time.
What are your thoughts on this? Should his command have sent him to work at ACAP given his situation with his assignment and the APFT? Should he be chaptered or would you just let him ETS?
A little background on the guy, he came to the unit on a compassionate reassignment last April due to his child's medical needs and about 5 months after he got here he was sent over to ACAP to work there on a 6 month rotation. At this point he had already failed the APFT once. There is no organized PT where he is so he is left to do PT on his own time.
What are your thoughts on this? Should his command have sent him to work at ACAP given his situation with his assignment and the APFT? Should he be chaptered or would you just let him ETS?
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Edited 11 y ago
Posted 11 y ago
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The old what if mentality of what happens if, at the last minute, the NCO decides to re-enlist? Recommend the unit put the soldier on a remedial physical fitness program whereby he/she reports to a gym. Is the soldier working in ACAP or preparing for discharge? The SGM has a good comment
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Soldier is almost out and barely needs to worry about this, PTing on his own, and still improving toward the standard? Give this man an AAM and ship him out
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He is an SSG in the US Army. They should kick him out unless his inability to pass a pt test was caused by a medical condition!
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Yes, no different than if a first termer who was a habitual failing individual was processed for separation under same circumstances...leadership not likership
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I think the extent of the commands authority would be to flag him for failing the AFPT, then barring him from reenlistment. I also suspect that we don’t know the whole story.
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What I can say from experience is THIS is an entirely different Army from when I came in. I didn't cause any problems while I was in, didn't have any APFT failures, disciplinary actions, and always made tape during height & weight. But I still couldn't get promoted on time, nor was I allowed to re-enlist (I needed one to do the other going either way). I completely busted my hump and got the short end of the stick while people who messed up consistently got chance after chance and some of them are STILL SERVING on active duty.
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Wow. This is a good one. From my Bragg experiences, that NCO would be GONE! There wouldn't be any debate about it! He'd have gotten f---ed and f---ed hard! Bear in mind, this would be anywhere in 319th Airborne Field Artillery. 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Battalion. I've seen where the leadership would consider all of the other variables in the other battalions in the Division, as well as outside of the 82nd. This is a VERY interesting question.
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Let the guy ETS. He is obviously going through a rought time.l and the fact that inprovement is being shown shows initiative. More importantly, three record apft failures with only one counseling and no diagnostic tests leads me to believe the unit is not going their part either...
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It seems to me that they shouldn’t have sent him over there. You need to look at the regulations and see what it states. I’ve been out almost 11 years, so I don’t know if the refs have changed, but I would give him a recorded pt test in 90 days but give him a diagnostic every 30 days until he hit the record pt test date.
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After that many years service I would let him ETS. There is already a bar in place to prevent reuping.
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