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It has been over 30 years since I swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. This oath is as sacred to me today as it was yesterday.
Today, it seems that our Individual Rights are under attack. That said, If given an order that violates the liberties afforded by the Bill of Rights should Commanders and or Troops feel obligated to follow it?
Today, it seems that our Individual Rights are under attack. That said, If given an order that violates the liberties afforded by the Bill of Rights should Commanders and or Troops feel obligated to follow it?
Posted 12 y ago
Responses: 36
I'll respond before I start reading comment in an effort to be as honest as possible.
Generally speaking, If I was given an order to violate the rights of another, It better be pretty obvious that the orders seem justifiable. I can't imagine more than very drastic circumstances. Something like there's open war in the US from invaders, and the order comes down that no weapons are allowed through checkpoints or something. Would I follow this order? Likely. Would I shoot an unarmed person in the face? Highly not likely.
Something a bit more relevant, perhaps: If I was ordered to lock and load an M4 and stand outside city hall, prevent traffic, and intimidate protesters? I'd probably leave an empty mag in the weapon, or no mag at all.
When we sign up, especially enlisted personnel, we are not leaders, and there's a necessary amount of trust we must place on our selected and elected officials. These are the people we agreed to serve and obey for the betterment of the Constitution and ultimately, the People.
However, I'm now separated, so I'll do whatever I think is right, government and authority be damned, until such time that I again swear an oath of enlistment. Which looks increasingly likely as I'll likely feel compelled to sign up if again we go to war. Probably see if the marines need a corpsman who's embarrassingly good at paperwork.
Generally speaking, If I was given an order to violate the rights of another, It better be pretty obvious that the orders seem justifiable. I can't imagine more than very drastic circumstances. Something like there's open war in the US from invaders, and the order comes down that no weapons are allowed through checkpoints or something. Would I follow this order? Likely. Would I shoot an unarmed person in the face? Highly not likely.
Something a bit more relevant, perhaps: If I was ordered to lock and load an M4 and stand outside city hall, prevent traffic, and intimidate protesters? I'd probably leave an empty mag in the weapon, or no mag at all.
When we sign up, especially enlisted personnel, we are not leaders, and there's a necessary amount of trust we must place on our selected and elected officials. These are the people we agreed to serve and obey for the betterment of the Constitution and ultimately, the People.
However, I'm now separated, so I'll do whatever I think is right, government and authority be damned, until such time that I again swear an oath of enlistment. Which looks increasingly likely as I'll likely feel compelled to sign up if again we go to war. Probably see if the marines need a corpsman who's embarrassingly good at paperwork.
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I would NOT & will not EVER FOLLOW ANY UNLAWFULL ORDER that is illegal or unethical! If u do your just as guilty as the man/woman who gave such an order. Nazi's said they where just "following orders" in order to avoid the facts that they allowed it ALL to happen. So that is my take on bullshit orders that are NOT APPROPRIATE UNDERSTAND ANY CIRCUMSTANCE! NOT JUST NO! BUT, HELL NO! Sir! Respectably Sir I must decline your UNLAWFULL Order Sir!
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Yes now we will have a constitutional lawyer in every tank platoon interpreting every order that the LT gives...since we don't have crew seats for an additional body , he can ride in a bustle rack.
Are we saying that PFC joe Shit the ragman from East Crows ass Nj gets to interpret orders?
We get it... You don't like the current administration and are so politicized by your dislike that you imagine nonsense like this.
Of course no one will follow illegal orders.
Granite 6 Charlie Mike out
Are we saying that PFC joe Shit the ragman from East Crows ass Nj gets to interpret orders?
We get it... You don't like the current administration and are so politicized by your dislike that you imagine nonsense like this.
Of course no one will follow illegal orders.
Granite 6 Charlie Mike out
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So now we are all constitutional lawyers? Nonsensical question... Name the rights that you're losing or the ones that Fox told that your losing?
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SGT Anthony Bussing
THANK YOU! I have been asking this question over and over for the past 6 years...
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I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
You do not Follow Unlawful Orders given to you by the President or the officers Appointed over you.
You do not Follow Unlawful Orders given to you by the President or the officers Appointed over you.
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I would never take arms against any lawful citizen ever. I would take it up against an enemy that wants to attack the United States by any means. The person could be any of us with our kids. I will not take any of the People's arms away. I will not cause death nor bodily injury to them either. I would say SGT or Sir, I have a problem with this order. I understand It violates the same rights I stand for as Marine. I swore to uphold the constitution and sure enough I will. I can not or will not if it meant that we are spitting in the eyes of our founding fathers how would they feel if they saw the audacity to overstep our bounds and trample all over the constitution which gives the People the power over our government. It is not the government that holds the power but sure want it to seem that way.
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Sgt Tommy Johnson
If the citizen is "law abiding," then I agree. However, the DISCUSSION QUESTION is simply stated as follows:
"As a Active Duty Member would you obey orders given to you to violate a citizen's Constitutional Rights or cause harm to same ? "
This DISCUSSION QUESTION does not explicitly differentiate between United States citizens who are or ARE NOT "law abiding." Thus, in the case where a citizen is NOT "law abiding," I would follow an order violating his or her Constitutional Rights and/or cause harm to him or her, in certain situations and under certain extreme circumstances.
"As a Active Duty Member would you obey orders given to you to violate a citizen's Constitutional Rights or cause harm to same ? "
This DISCUSSION QUESTION does not explicitly differentiate between United States citizens who are or ARE NOT "law abiding." Thus, in the case where a citizen is NOT "law abiding," I would follow an order violating his or her Constitutional Rights and/or cause harm to him or her, in certain situations and under certain extreme circumstances.
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I took an oath to defend the Constitution first and foremost.
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