Posted on Jan 20, 2014
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This discussion goes out to everybody but mainly to E-8’s. My question is how do you prefer to by addressed as. I have had several 1SG, and some of them have flipped out on soldiers when they were called Top. I myself try my hardest to always address my 1SG by his or her name and rank, but I see others on a daily basis doing both.
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1SG for most.....  Top for my PSGs except in formal situations.
what about Master Sergeant vs. just being addressed as Sergeant... i believe that all SGT-MSG should be called Sergeant.  Anyone that makes you address them as Master Sergeant has an ego that needs to be stroked or a complex of sorts!
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1SG Infantryman
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Any MSG that wants to be called Master Sergeant needs to read AR 600-20 page 4. MSG "Title of Address: Sergeant".
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SPC Marcus DeMatos
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1SG I can see how many would think it's an ego thing if the E6-E8 was demanding the full rank, but in running sick call I got in the habit of calling out who was next as Staff Sergeant, Sergeant First Class, or Master Sergeant. It just felt right to give them the deference they earned. It also had the added benefit of reminding the line trooper to mind their p's&q's with their betters nearby. The only place I really encountered the ego issue is between SMJ and CSM.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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It was your sick call, that sounds like a reasonable, personal touch.
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SGM Special Forces Senior Sergeant
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OR they are in the USMC where that is punishable by death!
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SGT Alicia Brenneis
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It has been my experience that TOP is a sign of respect. If I/we respected our 1SG , we called him TOP. It is much like a medic being called DOC. Personally if I ever had a 1SG who got mad because someone called him TOP I would loose respect for him just on that alone. It is hard to explain why I would. I think it would feel like a rejection of my respect.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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SGT Alicia Brenneis If I respected you as a Soldier in my unit, in a non-duty situation you could call me ‘Top’!
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The position of the First Sergeant is one of no
substitute.  When First Sergeants are
great, their units are great regardless of personalities that may get in the
way.  I have always wanted to move up the
ranks and one day serve as a First Sergeant. 
It is the opportunity to coach, mentor and motivate many Soldiers to
include Noncommissioned Officers and officers at that.  First Sergeants hold formations, instruct
Platoon Sergeant through mentorship and guidance, advise the Company Commander
in regards to Soldier issues and UCMJ and assist through supervision in training
all members of the unit.



When dealing with Soldiers issues to include UCMJ
(formal settings), the First Sergeant is what the Soldiers and NCOs of my unit
refer to me as.  When in an informal
setting, TOP will do.  Many First
Sergeants do not like being called “TOP” due to the image of being spun around
like a toy.  I had a First Sergeant once
who did not want to be referred to as “TOP” because he felt that the Soldiers
of the company were “playing” with him. 
When I gave my in-brief to my Soldiers and NCOs, I informed them of my
intent.  To me, TOP is the “Trainer of
Professionals”, the TOP enlisted member of the company.  The First Sergeant has always held a highly visible, distinctive, and sometimes notorious position in the
military unit.



A First Sergeant in the German Army is referred to as the “Father of
the Company.”  He is the wise counselor,
the one who provides and instills discipline in the company, the tough and
unbending foe.  The First Sergeant is a
confident individual, the back bone of the Army, everything that is needed in a
great Leader.  In order for the Commander
to do his/her job, the First Sergeant must be able to lead the company from the
front.



I enjoy being a First Sergeant, even with the long hours, the Soldier
and Family issues, at the end of the day, I am grateful to be afforded the opportunity
to serve as a First Sergeant in this great Army of ours.



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1SG Llamas awesome feedback thank you for sharing.

 

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1SG Shane Hansen
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I prefer to be addressed as "First Sergeant", but I do not get bent out of shape or even say anything to them when my Soldiers address me as "top".  
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SGT Gary Frank
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Edited 12 y ago
Upon my initial meeting, I always referred to a 1SG by his Rank and Name to indicate the Formal, unless I was instructed to address the individual as "Top" to indicate the Familiar.
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SFC Psd
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SGT Frank, Thanks for your feedback.
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I believe all NCOs should be called by their actual rank like our brothers in the Marines.  Having said that, an E-8 wearing a diamond should be addressed as First Sergeant and Master Sergeant once he/she has completed their First Sergeant time.  In addition, I would love for E-6s to be called Staff Sergeants and E-7s Sergeant First Class or Platoon Sergeant.  In my opinion the only Sergeants' in the Army are E-5s.  However, if you have a First Sergeant that doesn't mind being called Top, well, that is up to that individual.  For example, I am an artilleryman and our PLT SGTs (MOS 13Bs) in the gunline are called Smokes and assistant PLT SGTs Gunny's (MOS 13B).  Most of our support MOSs tend to call me a Smoke and I correct them by letting them know I am not a Smokeman because I am a 13D. 
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SFC Psd
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SFC Alicea, thank you for your feedback.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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A ‘Cannon Cocker’ brother was Chief of Smoke in his day.
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MSG Charles Womble
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I don't usually respond to discussion, although I enjoy reading it. This particular question piqued my interest. In 1990, as a PFC at Fort Ord, I got the only answer I needed to this question. Although "Top" refers to the senior enlisted Soldier in a company/battery/troop it then was reserved to NCO's that had gained the trust and confidence of the unit First Sergeant. I myself am not designed to be a First Sergeant by the nature of my MOS. E-8's in my MOS are strictly staff NCO's. I see it as a sign of respect informally from a custom, not an official courtesy of course. You don't want Privates and Specialists to get too comfortable in forgetting what Command Policy already dictates. No one knows if we E8's ever held the 1SG position, so it makes me feel like I did and sort of proud of the rank I attained. Personally, I would not allow someone I know to address me by "Top", but it if anyone remembers, we used to informally call E-9's "SMAJ" which by no mistake meant you were an E-9 or otherwise frocked. Would your Company Commander like it if you called him "Cap"? I believe we should stick to the formalities in all honesty. Interesting question. Another point is that by Army reg, we Master Sergeants are entitled to the address of Sergeant. But there is a tendency to address us as Master Sergeants, I'm fine with that.
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SFC Psd
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MSG Womble, Thank you for your input.
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GySgt (Other / Not listed)
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In the Corps, Top is only refered to a MSgt and that is up to the discretion of the MSgt on it's use.  Most MSgt from my experience like to be called Master Sergeant with some taking offense to the name and responding "do I look like a top?  are you gonna spin me?".  Ive only known a couple MSgt' that actually preferred the usage of Top.  Most Marines know to use MSgt unless directed otherwise.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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'SMAJ' would set me off. A captain I was quite familiar with used 'SMAJ' once!
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I  have to say I've rarely seen a combat  arms 1SG addressed as anything but 1SG.  Non-Combat arms/Support units seem to have a more prevalent use of "Top".  Since my background is predominantly based in combat arms units, I've almost never used Top.  

I would be interested to see a breakdown who uses each based on how they grew up.
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SSG Schroeder, this is something I have noticed as well. I posted about that in response to someone else earlier on the thread. 
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1SG First Sergeant
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I've been an 11C for 21 Years and an11Z for 3.... From Private in Light infantry to SGT in Mech/Armor to SFC in Stryker land, and for 13 out of my 14 1SGs, I've seen TOP reserved for the Seniors and training room/RTOS/Drivers and 1SG for everyone else...  there was always that 1 1SG that hated TOP...  he was also usually the one to not get picked up for CSM.... just sayin'  :)

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Ha, 1SG that's an interesting correlation about the one not getting picked up. I guess the Army's a changing. Every one of my 1SGs when I was an 11B hated being called TOP. But then I was never in the PSG meetings either. I guess it boils personal preference.

Here in the MEDCEN I've seen the 1SGs addressed as TOP more in the last 9 months than anywhere else in the last 18 years.
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MSG Mechanic 2nd
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SFC (Join to see) - in medcom most of your senior enlisted are e-8's, slotted senior medic, which is msg not fsg, its up to the commend to give the diamond, I was company senior, msg, that's what the mtoe regulated, it then falls on bn to award the diamond weather fsg or msg top was fine by me, in my usmc days hell no top was msg, and 1st shirt was fsg
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I've always said "1SG". I try not to use nicknames when referring to NCOs/Soldiers.
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SPC Information Technology Specialist
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Agreed. 1sg.
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SFC Psd
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Sir, thank you for your feedback
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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My understanding has always been that diamonds are First Sergeants, and Master Sergeants MAY be called Top at their discretion, but 1SG is ALWAYS 1SG..
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SFC Psd
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SSG Hasburn, thank you for your feedback
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SPC Marcus DeMatos
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SSG I can see your point, but I'll give you a wrinkle to consider... my Dad earned his diamond and was a 1SG (and a good Top) for three years, then in his final tour following that assignment (while turning down an offer of E9 three times) he served in a Command NCO billet as a MSG. No diamond to be seen, but that didn't take away the Top he had earned. And on his ID card it still says 1SG now that he is retired.
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MSG First Sergeant
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Keep engaged, Top ;)
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SPC Marcus DeMatos - realizing I’m navy, but knowing the regs of the Army, your father is exactly the reason I’d ignore the regs and use the full “Master Sergeant” address instead of “Sergeant”. Seems, to me, more respectful of and harking towards his duty as 1SG.
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