Posted on Apr 6, 2014
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If you were allowed to select individuals that work for you, which quality would lend more weight to your decision. &nbsp;&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Would you rather have a Service member that knows all the ins and outs of their specialty but is mediocre at physical fitness or a Service Member that excels in physical fitness but is mediocre at their job.</div>
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1SG Jim Wagner
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You have to know how to do your job. I do not care if you look buff, that does not win on the battlefield.
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1SG First Sergeant
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Have see many PT monsters but did not know which end of the torque wrench to use. That being said they are good to have around to unload trucks.
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SSgt Lynda Bloomberg
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"I pick things up and put them down" doesnt mean you know how to do your job.  Doing your job and doing it well is much more important than being able to pass a PT.  As an aircraft mechanic in the USAF those pilots I'm sure would rather have us knowing our job than being able to run.
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SSG Platoon Sergeant
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I can't help but laugh at all the comments on here. Most of the NCO's that have replied to this thread have said that they would take a soldier that is able to do his job more than a soldier that cannot max or at least do very well on an APFT. Which by the way, shows no ability to physically do the job of today's modern Army, depending on MOS of course. I agree 100% that the Army would benefit more from competent soldiers than masters of the 2 mile run(because we all know, that is the score that matters as long as you don't fail the other two). Even though i agree, my amusement comes from the actions and reactions to a soldier that does poorly on the APFT. You can say that you would rather have that competent soldier but MOST, not all, NCO's will be the first one to recommend punitive punishment or chapter instead of realizing that we as NCO's failed that soldier and must sacrifice our time to fix the issue. Lets reverse this mindset and work hard to instill the pride and discipline required for that soldier to succeed on his own.That's the way we were brought up right? That way, we can say that we truly were successful and the needs of our soldiers came first. Don't get me wrong, i do believe that PT is an individual responsibility to a degree but that mindset also has to be learned and its our job to teach them. Anyone agree?
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MSG Senior Supply Sergeant
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The answer is both, but since I had to pick one, I picked physical fitness because it will benefit my health and unlike job proficiency that's something you don't play with. Don't get me wrong I hate when you have to explain yourself three times for the same task.
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SSG William Patton
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That is an interesting question that I feel would be dependent upon the situation.  If I am performing a task that requires physical endurance, then I would want someone in great shape that can be taught the basics of a a job needed to perform the mission.  On the other hand, if job proficiency is critical to mission success, then job knowledge would be needed more than physical endurance.  For example, during a firing mission where all 175mm and 8" guns were firing, all hands were called into action, including cooks and clerks.  Physical endurance was required to keep the guns firing by humping joes.  We also had a situation where FOs and their teams were descimated and RTOs were needed.  We had personnal in the battery who possessed different job skils, but still mirrored what an RTO would perform when calling in fire.  Though limited, the MOS of those called into action allowed them to function as an RTO and even the FO because map reading and calling fire were also aspects of the men who were called on to help.  They had the physical endurance to work in a fluid field environment in the artillery and because working in a Met section required us to be able to read a grid ma and work a radio and theadolite, we could work as RTOs.
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SFC Sniper Oct
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This has been a question on here several times? Someone else
asked this and goodness is it really that hard to find a stud that is smart in
other MOSs’. What happens when you job as a leader is to lead from the front when
you are required to physically be in front of your element on the side of a
mountain or in a tight fitting alley? I have seen leaders that are great
people, studs that had the common sense of a door nail but could learn with the
correct leader. If to choose I would choose a PVT that was a beast, inspiring a
little competition within my PLT and with the correct mentorship that leaders
are supposed to provide will become a great stud and thinking Soldier.



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SFC William Swartz Jr
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Definitely wanted a young Tanker that knew his job; loader, driver, gunner and was not a "pt stud" rather than someone that can run like the wind but could load a main gun round, drive a straight line or hit a target when necessary.
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SPC Christopher Smith
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Never been a fan of PT studs, I'd much rather you spend most of your time doing, and knowing every in and out of your job. If you are weak at your job, be a meat head and do the labor that needs to be done on a day to day basis. JMO
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1SG First Sergeant
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I am going to have to be one of the odd men out on this. I say physical fitness. I up voted a few people cause they kind of said what I am about to say. We are Soldier Athletes by definition. The first thing on and the last thing off the training schedule is supposed to be PRT in the morning.

 

Most MOS can not function properly without being fit and healthy. I am signal so I will speak on that. You arrive at your site in the middle of the night and spend the next 24 to 48 hours unloading, hauling and carrying around equipment that weighs thousands of pounds. Then you go those 2 days on little to no sleep because the battle field needs there communications. That type of exertion to the body and mind can only happen if you are a fit, well oiled machine.

 

I would also like to point out like most leaders on here know your MOS sometimes means nothing. We are know many people who have suddenly became the NCOIC, team chief or SME of something that has nothing to do with there MOS. I personally have held slots in 4 MOS that are not my own. Because somebody had to do it.

 

Training Room, Operations, Arms room, driver or any other additional duty that has become a primary job. You may go to AIT to become one MOS but that will only last so long before you become a platoon Sergeant, 1SG, or CSM and stop doing your MOS because you have admin work to do now.

 

But you will always be a Soldier athlete that must keep your body and mind in top physical condition to combat the enemy. You want to be a SME that sucks at PT get out of the Army and become a civilian.

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Chief, I agree that it is a hand and hand relationship. It seems to be a huge trend going around saying that you if you are great at PT you cant be good at anything else. So if you make me choose it will be physical fitness every time.

 

I see this complaint a lot in my AO. It is usually a Soldier who is decent and sometimes even an expert at their job but suck at the PT test. So instead of going and getting better with PT they want to complain about how PT means nothing.

 

Out of the 20 Soldiers in my platoon the handful that I would get rid of because they are dead weight. You know a waste of my time and half *** everything. Happen to be the same Soldiers with horrible PT scores, borderline AWCP and don't want to improve.

 

They are not all PT studs but all my good troops consistently get better with PT because they know the importance of it.  And they are smart and know their jobs. Cause you can have it both ways it shouldn't be a choice.

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This discussion has to be looked at from different perspectives. 1) if your not job porficient is it because your unable to learn the task at hand? 2) Are you out of shape because your broke and cannot do physical fitness and have a problem sticking a strict diet? I would have to say I would like to work with someone show wants? I would rather take a soldier who is not physically fit and not job proficient but has the want factor. If they are willing to learn and want to better themselves then I can deal with that. If I have a soldier that knows some and is in good physical shape but doesn't care then its gonna make my job alot harder.
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