You can't "smoke" soldiers anymore. So... More article 15s? It's copied and pasted from APRT.COM but it's all there in the FM FM 7-22 Para 5-15. When exercise is used for corrective training or corrective action, it is often performed incorrectly, promoting overtraining syndrome , and overuse injuries. Often corrective action mimics “smoke sessions,” punishing Soldiers with little or no corrective value. Consideration must be given to the number of times per day exercises are used for corrective action for individual Soldiers and groups of Soldiers to avoid the cumulative effect and limit the potential for overtraining syndrome. The following guidelines should be followed when employing exercise as corrective action. Only the following exercises should be selected for performance of corrective action.  Rower.  Squat bender.  Windmill.  Prone row.  Push-up.  V-up.  Leg tuck and twist.  Supine bicycle.  Swimmer.  8-count push-up. Only one of the above exercises may be selected for each corrective action. The number of repetitions should not exceed FIVE for any one of the exercises listed above So there are only a few different options here, since making a soldier do 5 reps is a joke, and wont teach anything. Does that mean we should just write up 4856's for everything wrong a soldiers does? I understand the Army's worried about hazing, but taking away an effect means as punishment and leaving us with the only option to write up soldiers. Army Overtraining Syndrome Causes Of Overtraining Syndrome And Overuse Injuries. Safe progression for performance improvement is complex, involving many variables that impact success

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Posted >1 y ago

UCMJ is not an option in my unit!

One of my fellow squad leaders recommended his spice-smoking soldier for UCMJ and ended up with an Article 15. Included in his sentence was 45 days extra duty. Our battalion CSM would not support his own BC's decision by refusing to allow CQ or Bn Staff Duty to supervise this tool. Basicly, he said that the NCO that recommended him had to supervise him. Now, the rest of us in the platoon took pity on him, and we all chipped in and took turns so he wasnt doing this every day. The Soldier being punished thought that it was hilarious.
I know that this may not be the correct answer to some people, but I'm going to have to think long and hard before recommending someone for UCMJ in the future while under this CSM, and will be very reluctant in do so. Why would I recommend Soldiers for UCMJ knowing that I will be away from my family for 10-45 days to supervise him. Again, call me a dirtbag, but I dont feel like punishing myself and my family, and every NCO in my platoon feels the exact same way. Of course, if it were 10 years ago, I would be smoking this guy until his ETS date.

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SFC Collin McMillion

Posted >1 y ago

Oh Lord, I wish someone had to my DI's this when I was in basic, I might have had time to take a break and had a twinkie.......lol!

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SFC Vernon McNabb

Posted >1 y ago

Being a SNCO and a father of three, I equate smoking to spanking, and counseling to timeout. Both are effective tools when used properly.

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SFC Nikhil Kumra

Posted >1 y ago

That's not bad. Just do a 30 count rep on each...

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Posted 10 y ago

The FM is good, but leaders need to read AR 27-10 Chapter 3. It talks about "corrective training". It's been a bit since I looked into it, but it basically talks about that "correct training" is not a punishment. It is intended to teach Soldiers to learn a lesson and get back on their feet. It even gives an example that corrective training is not where a Soldier cleans a dirty floor with a toothbrush. It says there are various tools. These tools are known as non punitive measures that result in extra training, bar from reenlistment, and etc. Honestly, I never minded the exercise from my former NCO's. The physical training aspect is only problematic when someone is abusive in their power and is a poor leader. Basically, it keeps a Soldier in a state of constant state of fear with no reasoning in doing so.

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Posted 10 y ago

With a little creativity you can still use exercise as corrective training. The FM tells you to limit the exercise to five but doesn't limit how many times it can be used. Let's say a soldier is late to formation, maybe for the first hour of the day the soldier stands by your desk and has to give 5 push ups every 5 minutes. It may not be a "smoke" session as we would normally think of one but probably embarrassing enough that you can correct the soldiers actions.

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Corrective training?

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I normally don't respond to these comments I just read them, but I really hate the way the Army is right now dealing with punishments to Soldiers. My father is a retired SFC and on occasions he had to bring me to work with him sometimes (he was BNCOC and ANCOC PSG) and I got to see some real disciplined instilling training go on, and I would also pay attention to how he carried himself on and off work. When I tell people I came in in '09 they say "aww man you didn't go through anything" but that's what they assumed not knowing that my drill sgts at ft Leonard wood smoked the CRAP out of us! I remember I feel asleep one time in my wall locker and my drill caught me and made me sit on the wall holding my weapon out for an hour! I made Sgt in 3 years and am going on my 5th year enlisted and I still remember those smoke sessions, those "punishments"! That is what helped get me to where I am today, that is what instilled the discipline in me because they instilled that superior power of fear in me. They didn't want me to be afraid of them, but they wanted me to "fear FAILING". To this day there has not been a task I have failed at because I am truly scared that someone may smoke the crap out of me, but I don't look at it as a bad thing, I look at it as me building discipline and not failing. I really think the leaders that made these new rules were probably the that slipped through cracks in the ranks and were the ones who were bullied or may have been the ones to only have deployed once in there 25 year career. Sorry to say all this but when I came in I understood that I was joining the ARMY to PROTECT the country and FIGHT WARS. Now being that I have this mindset it may seem as if I may not have the upmost professionalism but don't judge the book by its cover, I just understand the mission and feel like sharing my thoughts amongst other leaders, but people this is the ARMY not WACHOVIA BANK. We fight wars not and protect the nation, not sit in an office and play politicians. Some leaders use the excuse of all this is happening because the war is dying down, well my question is why didn't it happen after desert storm? What is so different from that time to this time?

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I normally don't respond to these comments I just read them, but I really hate the way the Army is right now dealing with punishments to Soldiers. My father is a retired SFC and on occasions he had to bring me to work with him sometimes (he was BNCOC and ANCOC PSG) and I got to see some real disciplined instilling training go on, and I would also pay attention to how he carried himself on and off work. When I tell people I came in in '09 they say "aww man you didn't go through anything" but that's what they assumed not knowing that my drill sgts at ft Leonard wood smoked the CRAP out of us! I remember I feel asleep one time in my wall locker and my drill caught me and made me sit on the wall holding my weapon out for an hour! I made Sgt in 3 years and am going on my 5th year enlisted and I still remember those smoke sessions, those "punishments"! That is what helped get me to where I am today, that is what instilled the discipline in me because they instilled that superior power of fear in me. They didn't want me to be afraid of them, but they wanted me to "fear FAILING". To this day there has not been a task I have failed at because I am truly scared that someone may smoke the crap out of me, but I don't look at it as a bad thing, I look at it as me building discipline and not failing. I really think the leaders that made these new rules were probably the that slipped through cracks in the ranks and were the ones who were bullied or may have been the ones to only have deployed once in there 25 year career. Sorry to say all this but when I came in I understood that I was joining the ARMY to PROTECT the country and FIGHT WARS. Now being that I have this mindset it may seem as if I may not have the upmost professionalism but don't judge the book by its cover, I just understand the mission and feel like sharing my thoughts amongst other leaders, but people this is the ARMY not WACHOVIA BANK. We fight wars not and protect the nation, not sit in an office and play politicians. Some leaders use the excuse of all this is happening because the war is dying down, well my question is why didn't it happen after desert storm? What is so different from that time to this time?

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I normally don't respond to these comments I just read them, but I really hate the way the Army is right now dealing with punishments to Soldiers. My father is a retired SFC and on occasions he had to bring me to work with him sometimes (he was BNCOC and ANCOC PSG) and I got to see some real disciplined instilling training go on, and I would also pay attention to how he carried himself on and off work. When I tell people I came in in '09 they say "aww man you didn't go through anything" but that's what they assumed not knowing that my drill sgts at ft Leonard wood smoked the CRAP out of us! I remember I feel asleep one time in my wall locker and my drill caught me and made me sit on the wall holding my weapon out for an hour! I made Sgt in 3 years and am going on my 5th year enlisted and I still remember those smoke sessions, those "punishments"! That is what helped get me to where I am today, that is what instilled the discipline in me because they instilled that superior power of fear in me. They didn't want me to be afraid of them, but they wanted me to "fear FAILING". To this day there has not been a task I have failed at because I am truly scared that someone may smoke the crap out of me, but I don't look at it as a bad thing, I look at it as me building discipline and not failing. I really think the leaders that made these new rules were probably the that slipped through cracks in the ranks and were the ones who were bullied or may have been the ones to only have deployed once in there 25 year career. Sorry to say all this but when I came in I understood that I was joining the ARMY to PROTECT the country and FIGHT WARS. Now being that I have this mindset it may seem as if I may not have the upmost professionalism but don't judge the book by its cover, I just understand the mission and feel like sharing my thoughts amongst other leaders, but people this is the ARMY not WACHOVIA BANK. We fight wars not and protect the nation, not sit in an office and play politicians. Some leaders use the excuse of all this is happening because the war is dying down, well my question is why didn't it happen after desert storm? What is so different from that time to this time?

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