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I had a miscarriage last January, and by not healing quick enough my former Readiness NCO told me that I was being discharged (In April). This past December, My "new" squad leader had gotten ahold of me via Facebook and let me know what was going on, if I didn't show up then I was going to be arrested, et cetera.

What I don't understand, is why didn't my platoon sergeant tell me that I was still on the roster when I saw him in August? I have moved two states away since then, and now I have to travel 12+hours to go to drill.

I need help, I don't know what to do, say, et cetera. I'm in the National Guard, and I was told long ago that article 15 can't be given to National Guard soldiers due to just being one weekend a month. Honestly, I'm scared. I waited a long time to get E4, and I don't want to lose it, nor my pay because I'm hurting as it is.

Any questions, just ask. But I really need advice. I plan on showing up for drill, and I don't want to be discharged, but a part of me thinks this is a set up to arrest me, which apparently there is a warrant for my arrest, and I don't know how to look that up either.

Thankyou.


UPDATE 11/15

Since so many people have been responding to this 3 year old thread, and not really reading updated comments, here is an official update:

So, when I returned to my old unit, I have medical documentation, and also provided insight on the miscarriage and baby as well. He would’ve been born with Trisomy 13, which also gives a short life span as well, so in my eyes the miscarriage is kind of a blessing. My commander and 1SG were informed of what happened, made copies of my medical documents, and asked what I wanted. I requested to stay in (since I was originally looking at a hardship discharge due to the pregnancy in the first place, since I was no longer pregnancy and physically/mentally stable, I requested to stay in). At this time, I had an actual discharge packet at state for being unsat, and my CO informed me that if she could pull it then she will, but if not then it would go through and I would receive a general discharge. The following Monday I received an email stating that she successfully pulled the packet.

From then on (that is January 2016) until August, I continued to drive 12 hours one way to drill; I had to miss in July due to family reasons, but I’m August I went up early to make up the July drill. When I was an hour away, I called to make sure someone would be there, so I could sleep in the armory. At this time, I was asked if I wanted to do an IST, I said yes. I was also informed that my July drill had been excused (more non communication from my CoC- go figure). That following September, I was drilling with a new unit in my current HOR state. That unit was scheduled to deploy to Cuba the following summer. I wanted to go. However, my transfer wasn’t complete at that time, come to find out, Indiana has discharged me from their records (so Missouri could pick me up), but never sent the paperwork. From July until September 2017, I was in Limbo - not actively drilling because “I didn’t exist” in ANY states records. I called IG, and within 3 weeks I was on the roster to a different unit (the one I was trying to deploy with had already left, so I found another unit). Currently still in said unit, and on good drilling status.

Since I couldn’t go to Cuba in 2017, there was another unit scheduled to deploy May of this year to Kuwait. I wanted to go as well. And my name was actually on the roster to deploy.

Why didn’t I?

I found out I was pregnant in february; and on 11/3 I delivered a healthy, beautiful baby boy. My miracle finally happened! I had a rough beginning of pregnancy, when I was 6 weeks I went to the ER due to severe cramping (thought I was having a miscarriage again); doctor said it was a blighted ovum (Empty sac) because my HCG/PH levels weren’t as high as they should’ve been. So I went home, waiting to pass the fetus. A week went by, and still nothing.

Come to find out, I was a week behind. So instead of being 6 weeks at that time, I was actually 5 weeks. I still have the tumor, and in the spring time everything will be taken out.

And yes, the fibroid has and still is registering me as pregnant, by the measurement guide. When I was pregnant, I started out measuring at 12 weeks; towards the end I was only a week ahead (measuring).

No, I was not receiving pay while I was absent, and the “warrant” for my arrest was a ploy to get me back, which he didn’t have to threaten with and lie about. I would’ve been back to drill that May if they had informed me of my actual status; but honestly, why would I keep in communication with a unit that is discharging me, and telling me I no longer have to show up? In my eyes, I was done. That unit wasn’t my favorite, so I’m not gonna go back and talk to people like they were my teachers from High School, post graduation.
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OOOHH BOY. Talk about a case study in crummy leadership.
I sincerely wish you well after what must have been a tough loss. I can't even imagine what that was like. Now let's peel the onion.

First, you are doing the right thing by going to drill. You are your own best advocate.

Second, telling you that you will be separated is very different from being separated. There is an official notification that gets sent to you by official, certified mail informing you of your commander's intent and apprising you of your rights. If that didn't happen, then your UNSAT packet went nowhere.

Third, while you can't be issued an Article 15 unless you were on Title 10 orders, more than likely your unit had an AT that you didn't go to, and missing that can bring punitive action. The commander could also reduce you administratively. Once again, going there and explaining the situation will get you far.

Fourth, if you want to continue to serve, you should pursue a unit to unit transfer to somewhere closer to home.

Now, as a senior NCO, I have a lot of red-butt about this.
Your unit is pretty jacked up for neither communicating with you nor following through on an UNSAT discharge. Chances are, their ineptitude will work in your favor, but it is still pretty chewed up.

You are definitely not in the right either. You are obligated to inform your unit you had moved, that you were pregnant, and that the pregnancy ended. At least some of that doesn't look like it happened.

Now you have a chance to turn the page and get back on track.
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Making a comment on this issue is difficult at best. Even in the Guard or Reserve, a move to punish a soldier by Art. 15 must go through JAG for legalities and approval. Yes, the original unit might have been jacked up as 1SG Healy so clearly stated, but the facts presented by SPC Myers are vague and misleading. Her story is long and the facts meander back and forth. As she said in her final post to the 1SG, that she will ETS in February, the issue becomes moot. I hope for her sake that issue was clarified and then settled without the benefit of UCMJ. But yes, to her original question, you can be given an Article 15 for being AWOL a year, either knowingly or not. I would gather to say, that the punishment could be harsher, but without specific facts, I cannot give a more truthful response.
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1SG (Join to see) good point. I meant to add "dropped from rolls" in my first post. I'm not sure how that works in the Guard, but on active duty, you are DFR after 30 days. Designation as a deserter is a hard case to pursue, as a soldier must first be proven to have no intent to return. You would think that to be a given, but defense attorneys have come up with angles to justify that Billy/Sally/Jody were going to turn themselves in eventually. This soldier could easily have had a court-martial waiting on her. Again, too many vague facts, not enough info, and the corralation of time would confuse anyone trying to give her sound advice. Not to mention that this happened how long ago? Kind of a who cares now topic. I'm glad that it was sorted out. I suppose that there can be some subpar units, but I again stipulate that an outsider cannot, and should not, render an opinion as you don't know the facts.
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CSM John Mead - If you read through some of the interaction, you can see how we kind of sussed this out. The OP doesn't say a lot of things that a lot of RP-ers focused in on. I was looking at this as a unit that gave the Soldier some authorized absences (A's) for awhile, then lost track of her. For the Soldier, she had certain responsibilities that she didn't live up to as well, but I think one can be somewhat understanding of that given the circumstances.
The long and the short of it is that there is no way in hell one of my Soldiers would disappear like this and me not find her within hours, much less months.
My basic goal was to get her to get in contact with her unit and do the right thing... including facing the music if that is what her CoC decided.
It looks like things went pretty much how I thought it would if she got in contact with them.
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Once again, Top, I was at a loss as how to things pass for normal business in Guard/Reserve units. I'm not being condescending or badmouthing said type units, but I can see how some unprofessionalism may occur when said soldiers meet only once a month and two weeks a summer. With deployments to the sandbox dwindling even for active component units, non full time active units are going to lose what proficiency and level of skills attained during the past 16 years. This is bad hype for all. Lower activity levels equates less funding and in turns a lot of leaders into complacent drones. Small wonder Myers got lost in the shuffle. I won't absolve her of any wrongdoing as she was equally guilty in the affair. She is quite fortunate that she didn't receive any UCMJ and it is equally as well that she chose to close that chapter of her life. Maturity plans a big part in a soldiers life and I'm afraid that she lacked that, as well as sound judgment. As you said, you wouldn't have lost track of her in your unit. I believe that to be true, alas, in her own unit, diligence was not a common commodity. I'm only thankful that having been active duty for 26 years, that I never lost track of my soldiers, even if it was inconceivable. As a platoon sergeant in the early '70s, I did have one PFC who did not return to his Germany based unit from Christmas leave to the States. All I know is that after 30 days he was DFRed. Sad though, he was a good soldier. Go figure! All the best in your career.
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I am trying to be sympathetic here, but this is how I see it.

If you have not been discharged, you are still a soldier. It IS your units job to keep track of you, but YOU have an obligation to keep your unit in the loop while you are on the books. You cannot just up and move from the state without letting your unit know. You have been in, what it looks like, for a long time - you should know the rules.

I am sorry for what happened to you outside the Army, but you have been without contact with your unit for a year... I am surprised if they would let you back in.
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SPC Melissa Luppino - DD214's are for active duty. NGB from 22 is the guard equivalent
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I also do not want to sound unsympathetic and I'm not sure how the National Guard works but either way separation papers (DD Form 214) had to have been issued. You had to have received that before you left the unit. Let me ask you some questions. You went into the hospital most likely on base and you had a miscarriage didn't heal well but when you left the hospital didn't you contact your 1st Sargeant or your leader? Weren't you aware of what needed to be done? I mean it's kind of like a job if you're going to be out of your job for a couple weeks you go to your supervisor and you let them know when you're leaving and when you're coming back. Did you do fail to do this?
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SPC Irish Luna, this isn't a pay system problem. Finance can only process pay documents submitted to them. It is the soldier responsibility to report over or under payment to Finance and the Chain of Command. It's impossible for Finance to know a soldier is being overpaid without receiving documentation/notification from the soldier or the soldier's unit.
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SSG Matthew Koehler - I was NG for 8 years. I got a DD 214 when I got out.
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As a human, I am immensely sorry to hear of your loss. You have my full sympathy.

As a Chief/SNCO, I feel as I do not know all the facts here. One statement is puzzling me. "I waited a long time to get E4, and I don't want to lose it, nor my pay because I'm hurting as it is..." Didn't you already resign to the fact that you lost both of these by not showing up for a year? If you hadn't followed up on formal discharge paperwork nor assured your own attendance, these things appear to be low priority to you anyway.
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SSG Brian Lovins - don't think it's like this anymore. When I got out of the guard I recieved a DD214
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Expect the worst and you'll never be disappointed.
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Exactly
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I also submitted the proper paperwork of my pregnancy, and they still made me take the APFT, do PMCS and everything else as if I wasn’t pregnant. I put my foot down the following month though.

So, if the unit disregarded my pregnancy in the first place, I’m curious as to why everyone think this unit would actually care about a miscarriage and the time it took to heal from it?
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