Posted on Jan 6, 2016
SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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I had a miscarriage last January, and by not healing quick enough my former Readiness NCO told me that I was being discharged (In April). This past December, My "new" squad leader had gotten ahold of me via Facebook and let me know what was going on, if I didn't show up then I was going to be arrested, et cetera.

What I don't understand, is why didn't my platoon sergeant tell me that I was still on the roster when I saw him in August? I have moved two states away since then, and now I have to travel 12+hours to go to drill.

I need help, I don't know what to do, say, et cetera. I'm in the National Guard, and I was told long ago that article 15 can't be given to National Guard soldiers due to just being one weekend a month. Honestly, I'm scared. I waited a long time to get E4, and I don't want to lose it, nor my pay because I'm hurting as it is.

Any questions, just ask. But I really need advice. I plan on showing up for drill, and I don't want to be discharged, but a part of me thinks this is a set up to arrest me, which apparently there is a warrant for my arrest, and I don't know how to look that up either.

Thankyou.


UPDATE 11/15

Since so many people have been responding to this 3 year old thread, and not really reading updated comments, here is an official update:

So, when I returned to my old unit, I have medical documentation, and also provided insight on the miscarriage and baby as well. He would’ve been born with Trisomy 13, which also gives a short life span as well, so in my eyes the miscarriage is kind of a blessing. My commander and 1SG were informed of what happened, made copies of my medical documents, and asked what I wanted. I requested to stay in (since I was originally looking at a hardship discharge due to the pregnancy in the first place, since I was no longer pregnancy and physically/mentally stable, I requested to stay in). At this time, I had an actual discharge packet at state for being unsat, and my CO informed me that if she could pull it then she will, but if not then it would go through and I would receive a general discharge. The following Monday I received an email stating that she successfully pulled the packet.

From then on (that is January 2016) until August, I continued to drive 12 hours one way to drill; I had to miss in July due to family reasons, but I’m August I went up early to make up the July drill. When I was an hour away, I called to make sure someone would be there, so I could sleep in the armory. At this time, I was asked if I wanted to do an IST, I said yes. I was also informed that my July drill had been excused (more non communication from my CoC- go figure). That following September, I was drilling with a new unit in my current HOR state. That unit was scheduled to deploy to Cuba the following summer. I wanted to go. However, my transfer wasn’t complete at that time, come to find out, Indiana has discharged me from their records (so Missouri could pick me up), but never sent the paperwork. From July until September 2017, I was in Limbo - not actively drilling because “I didn’t exist” in ANY states records. I called IG, and within 3 weeks I was on the roster to a different unit (the one I was trying to deploy with had already left, so I found another unit). Currently still in said unit, and on good drilling status.

Since I couldn’t go to Cuba in 2017, there was another unit scheduled to deploy May of this year to Kuwait. I wanted to go as well. And my name was actually on the roster to deploy.

Why didn’t I?

I found out I was pregnant in february; and on 11/3 I delivered a healthy, beautiful baby boy. My miracle finally happened! I had a rough beginning of pregnancy, when I was 6 weeks I went to the ER due to severe cramping (thought I was having a miscarriage again); doctor said it was a blighted ovum (Empty sac) because my HCG/PH levels weren’t as high as they should’ve been. So I went home, waiting to pass the fetus. A week went by, and still nothing.

Come to find out, I was a week behind. So instead of being 6 weeks at that time, I was actually 5 weeks. I still have the tumor, and in the spring time everything will be taken out.

And yes, the fibroid has and still is registering me as pregnant, by the measurement guide. When I was pregnant, I started out measuring at 12 weeks; towards the end I was only a week ahead (measuring).

No, I was not receiving pay while I was absent, and the “warrant” for my arrest was a ploy to get me back, which he didn’t have to threaten with and lie about. I would’ve been back to drill that May if they had informed me of my actual status; but honestly, why would I keep in communication with a unit that is discharging me, and telling me I no longer have to show up? In my eyes, I was done. That unit wasn’t my favorite, so I’m not gonna go back and talk to people like they were my teachers from High School, post graduation.
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OOOHH BOY. Talk about a case study in crummy leadership.
I sincerely wish you well after what must have been a tough loss. I can't even imagine what that was like. Now let's peel the onion.

First, you are doing the right thing by going to drill. You are your own best advocate.

Second, telling you that you will be separated is very different from being separated. There is an official notification that gets sent to you by official, certified mail informing you of your commander's intent and apprising you of your rights. If that didn't happen, then your UNSAT packet went nowhere.

Third, while you can't be issued an Article 15 unless you were on Title 10 orders, more than likely your unit had an AT that you didn't go to, and missing that can bring punitive action. The commander could also reduce you administratively. Once again, going there and explaining the situation will get you far.

Fourth, if you want to continue to serve, you should pursue a unit to unit transfer to somewhere closer to home.

Now, as a senior NCO, I have a lot of red-butt about this.
Your unit is pretty jacked up for neither communicating with you nor following through on an UNSAT discharge. Chances are, their ineptitude will work in your favor, but it is still pretty chewed up.

You are definitely not in the right either. You are obligated to inform your unit you had moved, that you were pregnant, and that the pregnancy ended. At least some of that doesn't look like it happened.

Now you have a chance to turn the page and get back on track.
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SPC Lee Taylor
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I do not understand how this could even happen. U should have had discharge paperwork and gotten a DD-214 if u were discharged. Unless the NG and Reserves do something diff. unless u went into an inactive reserve status. To me this is a mess because of the Readiness NCO that told u that u were being discharged should have given u paperwork that proved what he said was true. Like the other have said better get with jag and have them help and get this straightened out.

And I do not understand how u could think ur discharged when ur getting paid. To me that says I am still expected to show up. And to have them pay u for a year if I understand u right says I am still in. When u got that 1st check after being told u were being discharged u should have been calling people to get things taken care of.

I wish u the best but the time u were awol is pretty long the only plus if u went back. this is freaking mess but I see it as mostly ur fault cause u didn't get answers from that readiness NCO and proof and when u didn't contact them the 1st time u got a check after u were told u were being discharged.
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SSgt Vincent Sarno
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SPC Lee Taylor -
Her first post " I waited a long time to get E4, and I don't want to lose it, nor my pay because I'm hurting as it is. "
Then at the bottom "No, I was not receiving pay while I was absent..."
Something smells funny...
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SN Thomas Burns
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did you get a 615 papers form the res . also ask for your full 201 file , 3rd ask to see a Jag officer
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CSM Michael Poll - USAR is a part of the Army, whereas the ARNG is controlled by the State unless on Active Duty, Active Duty for Training or Annual Training. Having been both an NCO and Officer, I have several concerns with this situation. First and foremost is the lack of communication in either direction. The unit knew she was pregnant (or should have) and as a result, her first line supervisor should have maintained contact. As a matter of policy in my units, we activated the telephone tree every month to ensure drill attendance and confirm alert notifications would work. Second problem is that once the soldier had a single UNSAT performance, the unit should have reached out to determine why. Finally, lacking any formal counseling about UNSATs or any communication from the unit, there isn't much of a case. The soldier can be separated for UNSAT performance or, if has no commitment, transfer to IRR.

As a new Hospital (BN) Commander, I personally contacted every UNSAT soldier and officer upon taking command. One of the officers was a LTC, who had lost his wife to cancer and had not attended drill for 6 months, while another was a MAJ suffering from cancer. Instead of threatening punishment, I asked that both return the following drill Saturday to meet with me. Both arrived and we discussed how we could accommodate each other. My primary focus was on the health and well being of the soldiers not UCMJ. When I was mobilized a year later and had to relinquish command, the LTC assumed my role and the MAJ became his XO. It doesn't always work that way but knowing your soldiers and caring for them is often better than throwing regulations at them.
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As a human, I am immensely sorry to hear of your loss. You have my full sympathy.

As a Chief/SNCO, I feel as I do not know all the facts here. One statement is puzzling me. "I waited a long time to get E4, and I don't want to lose it, nor my pay because I'm hurting as it is..." Didn't you already resign to the fact that you lost both of these by not showing up for a year? If you hadn't followed up on formal discharge paperwork nor assured your own attendance, these things appear to be low priority to you anyway.
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SSG Brian Lovins - don't think it's like this anymore. When I got out of the guard I recieved a DD214
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TSgt Steve Jasper
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Expect the worst and you'll never be disappointed.
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Cpl Rc Layne
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Exactly
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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I also submitted the proper paperwork of my pregnancy, and they still made me take the APFT, do PMCS and everything else as if I wasn’t pregnant. I put my foot down the following month though.

So, if the unit disregarded my pregnancy in the first place, I’m curious as to why everyone think this unit would actually care about a miscarriage and the time it took to heal from it?
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I am trying to be sympathetic here, but this is how I see it.

If you have not been discharged, you are still a soldier. It IS your units job to keep track of you, but YOU have an obligation to keep your unit in the loop while you are on the books. You cannot just up and move from the state without letting your unit know. You have been in, what it looks like, for a long time - you should know the rules.

I am sorry for what happened to you outside the Army, but you have been without contact with your unit for a year... I am surprised if they would let you back in.
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SSG Matthew Koehler
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SPC Melissa Luppino - DD214's are for active duty. NGB from 22 is the guard equivalent
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SPC Christina Rao
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I also do not want to sound unsympathetic and I'm not sure how the National Guard works but either way separation papers (DD Form 214) had to have been issued. You had to have received that before you left the unit. Let me ask you some questions. You went into the hospital most likely on base and you had a miscarriage didn't heal well but when you left the hospital didn't you contact your 1st Sargeant or your leader? Weren't you aware of what needed to be done? I mean it's kind of like a job if you're going to be out of your job for a couple weeks you go to your supervisor and you let them know when you're leaving and when you're coming back. Did you do fail to do this?
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MSG Wheeled Vehicle Mechanic
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SPC Irish Luna, this isn't a pay system problem. Finance can only process pay documents submitted to them. It is the soldier responsibility to report over or under payment to Finance and the Chain of Command. It's impossible for Finance to know a soldier is being overpaid without receiving documentation/notification from the soldier or the soldier's unit.
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SPC Tim Cook
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SSG Matthew Koehler - I was NG for 8 years. I got a DD 214 when I got out.
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