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Posted on Oct 31, 2018
LTC Jason Mackay
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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Excellent share Colonel, Sir; extremely relevant information. Thanks.
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SPC David S.
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Great article As a former cadet who played football I can relate to this on many levels. I was 6'5" 260lbs and blind as a bat at 18 yet thought somehow I was going to be a fighter pilot via waivers. The moral of the story - not everyone has the skill set to be the quarterback nor does a team (the military) only need quarterbacks - team (military) needs fat ass linemen as well in order to move the ball down the field. Find your role and train and play your position/role well. Makes the game/career more enjoyable as well if you embrace your role.
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LTC Jason Mackay Thank you for the post!
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thank you for posting this article. These cadets are about to be leaders in the Army and cannot do simple research. I see all these cadets asking questions that can be answered through research. as a leader, I feel like you cannot always rely on others to answer your questions. You have to remember these cadets will make decisions for a whole platoon. I think more officers should try to shape them by telling them do their research first. I would ask my cadre members which branch I would excel at best and I gave them my top two options. I was stuck between wanting to do MI and MP. they are both completely different branches. the research and guidance from officers helped me to choose my top branch. I do not see a problem with asking questions, but I do think sometimes a leader should try to do research first.
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1LT All Source Intelligence
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LTC Jason Mackay yes sir! I am only a cadet and I am annoyed by the amount of cadets ask the most simplest questions. I am agreeing with you that I think cadets need to start doing their own research. I am commissioning in a few weeks and I have not asked one question on this blog post.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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1LT (Join to see) yes we are in violent agreement (aka same point fratricide)
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1LT (Join to see) Best wishes on your upcoming commissioning.
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Sgt (Join to see) Thank you Mr. Hallock!
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SGT Tony Clifford
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I know that the army tries to put officers in units that match their education. Obviously this doesn't always happen, but they try to as it's typical a more logical way of using the talent available. Engineers tend to have a lot of physical science majors. One of my LTs was a geologist. Another was a mechanical engineer.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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Then again, they don't. The Army paid to make me a Civil Engineer and branched me elsewhere. As I said in the article, it's not a 1:1 alignment.
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CPT Richard Riley
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Outstanding! Good basis for making decisions!
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CW3 Scott Castlen
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Good write up Sir.
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CW4 Craig Urban
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I could have been a sniper.
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SFC Scott Parkhurst
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Excellent article! A lot of work went into it and time and research...Thank you. I can only answer for myself as far as choosing an Army Branch. When I went in, I first wanted to score as high as I could on my ASVAB so I could choose any MOS I "hoped" to get. I wanted to get something that of course the Army needed but I also wanted to do something that my heart and mind wanted....and that I would be good at. I was a police officer and took a leave of absence for Desert Storm but I just didn't want to be an MP. I always wanted to be a Doctor so I choose to be a surgical tech. (field), and then became a combat medic and during my years in I picked up 5 other MOS's. Yes, I wanted to see action and gave all of myself to the Army as they paid into my training a lot! I can take all of that training into my civilian life as well. This is what I tell people what to consider before joining. I want to make sure that they're joining for all the right reasons and that their morel is up and they're happy with their MOS because they're going to have to be doing it for a bit. Unhappy Soldier's are not good for the Unit.
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MAJ Gregory Moon
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I’ll make it easy for some. If you have a CE,ME, EE degree you will be branched Engineer. The Army has never kept enough degreed Engineers in the system. The good news us unlike infantry you won’t have to get a secondary specialty. There’s more than enough broadening positions in Engineers.
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COL John McClellan
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Engineer branch was about 50% "hard" degrees in engineering-related fields when I commissioned in 1986; by 2009 when I was at FLW, that number was down to only 1/3 and was getting the attention of the Engineer Commandant - 2 or 3 in a row made getting more degree'ed engineers a priority with TRADOC > Cadet Command!
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MAJ Gregory Moon
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On going issue. I came in in 82 there was no choice not a problem for me, I retired out of an Engineer Facility Detachment this year. We really needed hard degrees and construction background and we never were able to find enough even on deployments.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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COL John McClellan - MAJ Gregory Moon Army ROTC Science and Engineering Scholarship- Check. Civil Engineering Degree- Check. Branched: Ordnance. First choice Engineer Branch...Whoops. A way to fix that is to make Industrial Engineering a track for Logistics Corps Officers, particularly Ordnance Officers. Test them for the FE, document the experience in a NCEES friendly manner, route them to periodic strategic level logistics assignments that aren't death sentences and prepare them for the PE exam.
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MAJ Gregory Moon
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HRC strikes again. In the reserves I ran into another officer that was a EE working for PG&E and he was in Movement Control Team. There were EFDs in California that he could have been with or even the prime power guys.
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CPT Aaron Kletzing
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I really hope we get more Command Post articles from LTC Jason Mackay
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LTC Jason Mackay
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CPT Aaron Kletzing we'll see what strikes me as interesting or frustrating
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COL John McClellan
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There's a lot of good stuff in here, but what I always found most useful as a PMS when I spoke to accessions Seniors, and later when I started giving a similar briefing to MS Is and IIs, was a few of the slides available from Cadet Command on the Accessions Process, and, the recent stats. So: How big/small are the branches and how many will be selected? For the competitive branches - the average GPA of selectees in the past few years, and the average OML score; where is the "cut line" likely to be for active duty v. reserve forces > there use to be a chart on that as well. And then for certain branches, where your major might matter - Engineers, Signal, so forth - what kind of selection guidance was given to the accessions board on these. 3 or 4 simple charts that showed most college students -- look, you know where you are in this school and nationally in terms of OML and GPA; and you can see what your chances of success are at different branches.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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COL John McClellan is that briefing available by way of a link? I think it would add to the discussion. The stats will vary year to year, just like accessions targets.
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COL John McClellan
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LTC Jason Mackay - Not to me now, I'm out of the Army 4+ years and out of Cadet Command for 10+; but it was available to the Brigade Commander's and PMS's when I was a PMS in 2006-2008 timeframe. I'm sure there is something similar now, but it's Cadet Command FOUO I suspect.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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COL John McClellan - some mentioned this in passing during my research but could not articulate fully what all was in it. I think if PMSs are briefing this, then good on them. It is best delivered by them. This article grew out of seemingly endless Cadets seeking advice posts over the last 12-24 months
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Do you want to go combat arms, logistics, aviation? There are multiple branches but a lot of them can fit into a similar category. Once you find what you want to do, you can get more specific depending on what types of missions you would want to be accomplishing.
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LTC Board Of Directors Chairman
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Great article! I would like to collaborate with you on a few items not addressed in the initial offering. I recently served as a PMS and in an HBCU setting and gleaned some insights that may amplify the points and also add to the overall article. Let me know and if not requ st to use some of your material and cite this for an article I am working on :)

Thanks!
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LTC Jason Mackay
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LTC (Join to see) would be happy to share or help. Please do draft a sequel or branch article to this one. I wrote this hoping to spur discussion and allow others to get publication credit. This was not designed to be the final word. Some areas that I thought of but had to cut it off where I did: choosing the right Army component for you (AD, Res, ARNG), the Aviation junket, how do sister services decide career fields for officers, there may be things I just don't know to know. I a man certainly not all knowing.
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SGT Petroleum Heavy Vehicle Operator
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STEM degrees are the only degrees seen as worth getting to some people. Unless it’s one of those, I would just go with what interests you. For me it’s combat arms.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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SGT (Join to see) what is your take on a STEM degree that advantages one to one branch or another? How is that different than doing what interests a person? In theory you pursue a degree that interests you.

STEM certainly has the lime light as the field is growing and has actual demand in the economy.
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A science degree would definitely assist someone in the medical corps and a mathematics degree could make someone better at logistics. How I feel a person looking to find the certain branch that they want is to think if they want the branch because of the accolades of the field (viewed by peers as having a “good” job), or do they want to be effective in the immediate vicinity, which is being in the army. LTC Jason Mackay
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LTC Jason Mackay
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SGT (Join to see) - industrial engineering would be a good match for logistics corps or a logistics degree. At no time in 22 years did I have to do more than multiply, divide, add, and subtract as Ordnance or Logistics. I did one statics calculation for a project I was given as a LT. My undergrad, Civil Engineering, came in handy working allied trades issues and when I was a Garrison Commander working milcon projects with USACE.

At no time would I have used differential equations, integrals, discrete structures etc that a Math degree would have entailed. one of the key differences between civilian and military logistics is that civilian logistics depends on low variability from stable networks, local optimization, and global optimization. Military logistics the network is not the same one minute to the next (deployed)....never mind optimization, local or otherwise. It favors effctiveness over efficiency and hueristic solutions. Means and modes in the military are much sexier than in commercial supply chains.
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Right on sir! LTC Jason Mackay
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Ken Kraetzer
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Spend a lot of time at West Point, does the same decision process work at Academy?
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LTC Jason Mackay
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Ken Kraetzer no. Short answer. Their class rank is a large determining factor. I'll leave it to a USMA grad to explain.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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Ken Kraetzer this is part of it, predicated on class rank. https://youtu.be/EXFUd3T-Q8U
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LTC Jason Mackay
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Would also,like to thank SGT (Join to see) for wrangling Cadet input to this.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
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I still cannot figure out why anyone would want to branch something other than the Nurse Corps.
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MAJ Michael Cummings
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Great article.
I can remember doing my top 10 list.
My list, along with my thoughts, were as follows:
1) Signal Corp - go figure as an EE
2) Quarter Master - screw it, if I couldn't get signal I wanted to work with the logistical side
3) Armor - if I have to choose a combat arms branch in my top 3 I would rather walk then ride and artillery is not combat arms anyway they are support
4-10) Can't remember and doesn't matter

I was a 4yr ROTC scholarship student studying Electrical Engineering and scored in the top 10% at my ROTC Advanced Camp. Back then it was a 3,4,5 and I came out with a 4. I was a sure thing for active duty and all things pointed to me getting one of my top picks. Back then 4yr scholarship students were typically assessed to AD at about 75% rate.

WRONG!!!
The year I was assessed was on the back side of the Desert Shield/Storm military downturn and the 75% changed to about 10%. Not only was I NOT assessed to AD, I was sent to the National Guard as an Armor officer...YUCK!
Fast forward till now and I will have to say that I am sooooo thankful the Army sent me to Armor. I miss every day I spent on tanks. I also never had to deal with the issues of having mixed male/female units until waaayyy late in my career and boy what a headache that was.
No matter what an individual gets assessed, make the best of it. While at first it may not be anything that you want, it may be exactly what you need. Also, artillery is still support. Unless you can look them in the eyes and shoot them in the face, your support. I love all my military brothers and sisters though.
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SFC Melvin Brandenburg
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Thanks for the good info
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Pvt Michael Todd
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Flip a coin.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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That’s only if you get it narrowed to two choices. Coin flip brackets?
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Pvt Michael Todd
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3 choices actually if it lands on it's edge. Just being funny in no way disrespectful of your article.
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SPC Jerry Jones
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This is a great article LTC Jason Mackay. It should be part of all enlistment paraphernalia. New recruits have tons of questions, especially like "What MOS should I go into?". This article could give them a better sense of how things work and help them make a good decision.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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SPC Jerry Jones while I appreciate the praise, the decision on which MOS is much different in scale and scope than selecting an Army accessions branch. Approximately 212 MOSs, the role of the ASVAB, what is available, personnel preferences, etc.
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CW4 Craig Urban
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Or go QM if you are weak. Not warrants
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CW4 Craig Urban
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As I had said before. Ada is crap. Be a sniper.
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CW4 Craig Urban
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Chose one that focuses on your strength.
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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Has the Army done away with Dream Sheets yet?
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LTC Jason Mackay
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana it is my understanding the dream sheet is automated now. The principles remain the same
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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LTC Jason Mackay; we never got what we chose in those Dream Sheets anyways - Dream Sheets were merely for statistical purposes, I believe.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana - they are used. Just because you didn't t get your number 1 it doesn't make the whole process void. I got a choice in my top 6. It was better than luck of the draw.
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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LTC Jason Mackay; awesome for you Sir.
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LTC Mackay - outstanding article. I wish I had this guidance when I was a cadet. Lucky for me, things worked for me better than I expected in my 30 year career in the Reserves.

Your point about "Gaming the Dream Sheet" was spot on. My year group (1986) was the beginning of the force cutbacks from the Reagan administration. Though I was looking for a AD commission, there were only seven slots budgeted for Finance. I still went for Finance as my top choice, which I got, however it was a reserve commission. Initially, I was disappointed, but looking back, things turned out better from a civilian career perspective, and as a Reservist.

In contrast, many of my peers tried the reverse psychology logic as you pointed out because they desperate getting an AD commission. Many got what they asked for, both an AD commission and their top choice. but didn't last more than their three-year AD commitment because the branch wasn't a good fit for them, and their attempts to branch transfer went fruitless.

Again, your article is 'spot-on', and a valuable tool for officer candidates to choose their Branch wisely....
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LTC Jason Mackay
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COL (Join to see) the gaming when accessed in 1992/3 was to avoid a situation where you would Branch Chemical unless that's what you wanted. Any STEM major was at risk if you had CM in the top 10. Absolute certainty in the top 6. It was taken to extreme with avoiding it on your sheet at all. Great pains were taken to avoid it.

Left overs from the wake of ODS.
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LTC Jason Mackay - I remember the "Chemical" dilemma during the mid-nineties. As you said, it was right after Desert-Shield/Desert Storm. Chemical Branch was the almost sure ticket to an RA commission, but many candidates avoided it like the plague.
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COL (Join to see) - did not appear in my top 15
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