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Posted on Aug 3, 2017
SGT Joseph Gunderson
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First off, hazing can certainly be taken too far. When people get hurt in a way that weakens the unit, it's bad. We've seen this before but more often than not, it never gets that far. But what you described, by your own admission, seems more like your unit was trying to teach the FNG that can't keep his big mouth shut a lesson on what his role in the unit was. KP and TOC duty is not hazing. Those are things that have to happen. Smoke sessions can be taken too far but aren't bad in and of themselves. I'm guessing that in the end you were accepted by you peers not because you made it through some crucible, but because you kept your chin up and did what you were told and after a while they saw that this is a good guy. Big mouth and all. Had you resisted all the extra duty and become a pain in everyone's rear, you wouldn't have found yourself smoking and joking with the rest of the guys.
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SSgt Dan Rivett
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I'm sorry Officers just don't understand unless they have been to one of the Academies or have been enlisted. Sorry
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SSgt Dan Rivett - You should've checked out my profile before posting.
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CW4 Brian Haas
CW4 Brian Haas
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That was a pretty large generalization. All officers have gone through ROTC or OCS, etc. Trust me, they ALL deal with the same things in those.
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We are in the business of protecting US interests - that's it. Sometimes that means we kill people. Not always. The purpose of the US military is to protect America and its interests. That's it. That's doctrine.

Yeah the military doesn't care about feelings BUT if you're treating your workforce like sub-humans how far do you think you will get in your mission? How much success will your unit have if you have a bunch of toxic leaders who treat everyone below them like pieces of trash? Certain duties are not hazing. Making someone do a few pushups or run a little isn't hazing. But there are incidents of extreme hazing that go too far and people end up dead or seriously injured and that is bullshit and should not be tolerated.
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PO1 Timothy Organ
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True, why weaken your unit by breaking them into little pieces...Literally?
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1stSgt Jeff Blovat
1stSgt Jeff Blovat
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I learned this in my years in the military.

You lead people

You manage paperwork.

That's how I looked at it.
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LCpl Emanuel W.
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1stSgt Jeff Blovat - It's been a long time since I've heard that. Thanks for the reminder. I will start using this phrase quite often now.
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SFC Christopher Taggart
SFC Christopher Taggart
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Excellent words, Sergeant First Class...plus all that nonsense carries over to the civilian world too. I'd like to see how long that Sergeant lasts in a civilian job with that attitude.
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Everyday at 1530 my nco would tell me to close the office door and get in front lean and rest. She would always ask what did I do wrong today? And what did I learn? Im a better soldier for it. Im not a whiny stereotype. I take pride in the fact I am a strong, confident Soldier before strong, confident woman.
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