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Posted on Feb 11, 2021
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MSG Intermediate Care Technician
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I personally do not care how the hair is worn, as long as it's worn within the regulations. You want a bun? Put it in a bun. You want a ponytail? Put it in a ponytail. Just be within the regs. But, if that ponytail or bun, even while in regulations, becomes a safety issue for you when operating equipment or what not, then I would highly recommend cutting the hair much shorter. As for us guys...well, it sucks for us. Perhaps some day PVT Johnny will be allowed to have a ponytail and SGT Jimmy will be allowed to have a beard that isn't religiously or medically ETP granted. Until then, the regs is the regs.
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LTJG Sandra Smith
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Sad that American military women were so uninventive, really. While on active duty, my hair was nearly waist length, but I never wore a bun once. I braided it and pinned the braid up, doubled under, fit nicely under my "bucket", and cap alike. Butthen, we nurses, back in the '60s, were accustomed to keeping our hair up, on duty anyway, so it came "natural" for me. A bun wouldn't work with my school cap at all, but the braid did.
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Sgt Kerry Thurlow
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As a woman, who suffered years of headaches and hair loss, because my hair was tightly worn up, in the required style. I support the modification.

Likewise, I would support modification to the policy requiring male hair to be so tightly cropped/styled that one is able to see the nicks from over clipping.

Those who bemoan women the opportunity to modify their hairstyles probably take issue with many other gender unique modifications...like weight standards, BMI, PT Tests and additional time to deal with expressing breast milk for non-issued dependent children.

Biologically, physically, anatomically women are built different from men. Those who wish that they could be a woman to wear their hair differently or have a different PT standard...please remember that being a woman comes with the joys of menstruation, MST, IPV, harassment and the risk of losing your children because of your career in the military
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SFC Casey O'Mally
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I completely understand your point. However MST, IPV, harassment and child loss are not unique to women. Yes, women ARE different, and they DO have unique challenges. But not EVERY challenge women face is unique to them.

I lost my child to my career (court-ordered), have endured IPV, sexual harassment, non-sexual harassment, physical assault, and sexual assault. And I'm just one guy. And I have had male Soldiers who endured MST - to include the re-traumatization of retalitation for reporting, loss of assignments, and career stagnation.
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TSgt James Warfield
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This was very informing. I am retired now for many years. I always thought it was wrong that women couldn't wear their hair down or any pony tails or other ways. I can understand why they would need their hair pinned up for safety reason if necessary.
Gland this is being reviewed and changes are being made.
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Easy solution: cut your hair. There should be no double standard. Men must abide by grooming Standards which require short hair for many more reasons than are given in the post above. The military is not just a job and short hair is only one (reasonable) sacrifice that ALL must make; including females. The military is primarily a fighting force (lest the public forget that) and long hair--even in braids--can put the military member in an unsafe and even unsanitary disadvantage. Living in the field with scarce supplies of water, for instance, means that nice things such as showers and being able to wash one's hair are not possible. I, for one, give little credence to those who want to be able to serve in any unit a male can serve in because, according to them, they can "do" the job just as well, while simultaneously demanding different Standards because of vanity.
SFC Randy Hellenbrand
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Times change real life doesn't. Lice and the ability to wear your pro-mask don't change. While there is a definite need for comfort, especially if it can alleviate any medical problems current policies are causing, when a buzz cut is the best and safest option--deal with it.
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PFC Indirect Fire Infantryman (Mortarman)
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In my humble opinion, there are two things that immediately pop out:
1. True equality should make this an easy fix. Everyone cuts their hair short. No more issues, not to mention better when it comes to the use of gear. (Mask, helmets, etc.) Screaming for equality on the things you want while creating different standards based on sex is counterintuitive.
2. This is a slippery slope. We know for an absolute fact that people have "give a mouse a cookie" syndrome. Looser regs on one thing will eventually trickle down into looser regs on other things, IE facial hair, male hair length, etc.
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Wayne Soares
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Thanks for the share
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PFC Kimberly Staiti
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Finally!
In the Stone Age I had a, no, ~heard of~ a Senior Drill who straight up harassed anyone he wanted to shag who refused him. Constant KP ain't no joke. Unrelenting PT is also humourless.

One of his targets had long, long, wavy chestnut hair that she managed to bun, but the headaches were a torment. She decided on her own to have it French braided by her battle buddy and cut off at least 8 inches. She set it aside to mail to her mother.
Sadist Sarge entered our 30 man (?) open bay and saw her braid next to the large scissors. She had put up a bun and had her headgear on.
Inside.
At night.
She was so proud. We were excited to show him that she took the initiative. We worked together to adapt and overcome, vanity be damned. We were team building!
He snatched her cover off along with some hair.
Each one of us was in so.much.TROUBLE.
She was out of uniform.
She wore headgear in a building.
She had used a hair band.
She had bobby pins in the bun.
It was like we hid Ivan under a bed! That man lost his military bearing in the worst way. Flipped over our wardrobes. Tore the bedding off our bunks. Tossed our footlockers like Nerf balls. He ordered us outside in sleet to do PT in the pit on Tank Hill in December.

The sleet was mixed with freezing rain so that red clay pit was a pool of shivering chaos. Situps & pushups until we were completely soaked and then the fun run!
It was around 02, 03:00 when we were allowed to go back to the barracks to stand at attention (sopping wet & braless) while he screamed at us, threatening UCMJ action for conspiracy, theft, and possession of contraband. We had permission to use the scissors. Bobby pins as contraband? He flushed her braid. Some tears were shed at that low blow. Since she couldn't make a bun and her hair was too long for regs, he made her cut it. Wet and tangled without a comb or mirror. If she didn't cut it short enough to be in regulation with it down, he threatened clippers, like "soldiers" got buzzed. She looked like a scarecrow with mange after that threat.
The next morning an inspection was scheduled. We spent the whole time showering in cold water to get that red clay OFF. I know we were scrubbing it off for days,thanks to the scalding water that lasted 4 to 7 minutes and then went frosty. Laundering in shifts, the red clay had stained our PT clothes permanently. We had to pick up the wardrobes and footlockers and be inspection ready. No one slept. Making our bunks, searching for scattered boots, sneakers, and shower shoes in the dark was a blast with only flashlights. Polishing like that was even better.
I knew we were in for a roasting by the CO for all the gigs, so I cut my hair scarecrow style along with two others. (Women don't play like that when it comes to hair, so I wasn't mad when it wasn't unanimous.)

One squad leader was a stunningly gorgeous woman who stayed a step ahead of that sadistic, cruel creep. She had been to law school and she enlisted in order to have her school loans paid and keep the GI Bill to finish her terminal degree. Somehow she was ~bald~ for morning inspection. Not a high and tight. Not a buzz cut.
Bald.
BALD bald.

She never confessed to him how she did it, but the CO had some questions since shaving to the scalp is against regulations for men and unheard of for women.

It was a delight to see how mad that CPT was when she explained why she had a head smooth as a bowling ball. She was leading by example since the Drill Sergeant suggested it to the poor scarecrow troop. The Captain had her remove her cover and he looked like he was ready to clutch his pearls at the sight of that disaster, especially when she admitted that the Drill had "suggested" it the previous night. The few of us who followed suit made sure to back her claim. We removed our headgear and vowed to be all we could be. The squad leader; a bodybuilder from Brooklyn; and a former gang member from the Bronx began belting out,
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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Interesting; perhaps, a consensus needs to be taken to understand those in favor and those against change in policies on permissible hairstyling for females in uniform, like there is for men. However, why are we differentiating hairstyles of men and women in uniform, especially since men and women are seen as equals in the field, in the air and on the high seas? There should be no difference.
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