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Posted on Nov 30, 2015
MSgt Lionel (Leo) Rondeau
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CSM David Heidke
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I would always grouse when I heard the term "playing Army."

People should know better.
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SMSgt Thor Merich
SMSgt Thor Merich
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I heard it all the time, even after I reminded them that I was in the Air Force.
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SCPO Investigator
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Edited 10 y ago
I was in the Coast Guard Investigative Service during the last twenty years of my military career. In my civilian career, my last years were spent as a DEA Intelligence Analyst. Never, ever did I experience any issues with my COC when it came to getting off for my military duties. There will be pricks everywhere to piss and moan about this ages-old issue, but the federal laws covering your military service supersede those civilian jerks who gripe.
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SMSgt Thor Merich
SMSgt Thor Merich
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You were lucky.
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SMSgt Thor Merich - I was not the exception. I knew most of the 275 agents. I think we all had great Employer Reserve Guard relationships. At least I never heard a single story like the ones posted in the original discussion narrative.
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SMSgt Thor Merich
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When I was activated and deployed for a year after 9/11, I was passed over for promotion and lost my assignment. The worst part was that the guy that screwed me spent 25+ years in the Air Force (both active and Reserve). My organization was smart and did it in a way where I had no recourse through USERRA. Unfortunately, it happens all the time to civilian Law Enforcement and Fire. But I wouldn't change anything. My military service is well worth the sacrifices me and my family have made.
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LTC Michael Hrycak
LTC Michael Hrycak
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Sorry to hear what your employer, a veteran, pulled on you. The key is to stay around and make a difference by preventing something like this happening on your watch.
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SMSgt Thor Merich
SMSgt Thor Merich
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LTC Michael Hrycak - Thanks LTC, my situation occurred during a previous administration. With our current administration, they are very supportive. After what happened to me, I got very involved to ensure that it doesn't happen to others. We now have more Guard/Reservists than ever before.
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Playing Army: The Difficulties The Guard and Reserve Face
SSG Audwin Scott
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During my final tour in Iraq, I had some National Guards out of Alabama support our convoys while on missions. Our missions were successful because these great men and women put their lives on the line every time we went outside the wire and into the streets of Baghdad. It was their gun trucks and their fire support that help us at times get out of some crucial situations. So for someone to excuse them of playing Army, they don't have a clue!
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SGT Robert Deem
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As a DoD civilian, I have seen both extremes. My supervisors moved mountains to avoid even the appearance of interfering with or punishing ARNG/Reserve service. On the other hand, I saw our HR department delay and deny promotions, raises, etc. for veterans returning from combat service. One individual in particular spent more than a year in hospital recovering from combat related injuries, only to be denied career progression advancements upon his return. This was eventually corrected, but he had to file a grievance with DoL (who then sued our HR department) in order to get it done.
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CPT Claims Representative
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Unfortunately I think it depends on the agency. I am employed as a federal employee and SSA has been very supportive and easy to work with regarding service with the ARNG. One of my lieutenants can't say the same thing about the USPS. Most likely it depends on the agency and the supervisor.
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LTC Michael Hrycak
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The mobilization of Army and Air Guard, although both commanded by a Joint Force Headquarters at the state level, proceed along different routes. The Air Force has developed a smooth, almost seamless, approach to mobilizing their Airmen for Active Duty service, ranging from a month to a year. The Army side has developed another much more complicated system that mobilizes both individual Soldiers as well as units, from company to division level. Although I served as a state MRO (Mobilization Readiness Officer) and dealt with the Army mobilization of the most Soldiers since World War II, the Air Guard side seemed to be able to operate with greater flexibility and their force worked in concert with each other. Of course our fighter wing, refueling squadron, and other Air Guard assets had been serving active duty tours in between Operation Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom, while enforcing the No-Fly Zone. Maybe that is the answer to solving some of the difficulties, having a Total Force Concept toward military operations, and thereby minimizing the additional war between components.
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SSG Brian Lovins
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When I was activated in 03 and was activated CONUS for the next 23 months I came back to work and while I was welcomed back I went from being one of the top paid technicians to the lowest paid and they wouldn't give me raises because I "fell behind on technological advances to the equipment", which was true at the time construction equipment was transitioning to more electronics, however the equipment I specifically worked on was one of the first and I was completely up to date, I argued and received a 3% raise while my peers received a dollar or more both years I was gone. 9 months after I returned we were activated for Katrina relief. During this time I applied and was turned down for a promotion,I was however "promoted to assistant service manager" and told in writing the next available spot would be mine. No pay or benefits for the title, basically a corporal..lol. In my unit we were performing MUTA 5's and 6's alot so when the position came open again and I applied a year later I was turned down again, I moved on to another job shortly after that. I became a service manager for a new startup company and my unit was now doing MUTA 6'S 8' AND 10'S, a week after returning to work after a MUTA 8 is was fired (November 11th, Veterans day no less), never been wrote up and only praised for my performance, the excuse, was the company wasn't making enough money to pay my salary (which was higher than I requested). November in the Rockie mountains is a terrible time for a construction equipment tech to find work. Ii went to work as a temp tech (title 32). I ended up moving to TX shortly after that. I never had issues with any employer here even when I would get 24 hour notice that I needed to go to a school or even AT, but I have heard about title 32 technicians that were released from the guard due to QRB (?) WHILE deployed so they also lost their tech jobs since you have to be in the guard or reserve to have the job. The law may state they have to maintain our jobs but in hire/fire at will states all they needs is a viable excuse and to NOT deny unemployment.
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LTC Hardware Test Engineer
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I have been with my current employer for nearly 12 years. Unfortunately I have been either deployed or mobilized for nearly 6 of those years. They have always been very good in regards to welcoming me back after deployment, but I have missed out on promotions and raises due to being deployed.
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SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM
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They face many challenges trying to fill both roles as Citizen soldiers!
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