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Posted on Apr 30, 2018
LTC Paul Yingling
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I like the idea. It poses a few question in my mind though.
1. Are these surveys mandatory? If so, I've seen too many people blow through the already mandatory surveys we have to do in the Army to trust the outcomes. I've even heard people say "It'll just take 10 minutes if you just select 10 on everything and don't read the questions". If it's voluntary I feel like the majority of survey takers would do it because they have a gripe. That would skew the results too. Just a thought.
2. I'm trying to imagine an E-2 answering the questions you listed and can't see a lot of beneficial information coming from it. For instance, 'Does the unit treat people with dignity and respect', will be answered with only the squad leader and maybe platoon leader/sergeant in mind. That answer is not indicative of a battalion or even a company necessarily. 'Does the unit tell the truth?' Again, most soldiers answers will be limited to a select few individuals. And I'm guessing that 95% of a battalion has no idea how the unit spends money.

However, if the soldier taking the survey has to enter his name, company, platoon, squad, etc. then I see us getting somewhere. That way, even if across the battalion 95% of the soldiers say they're treated with dignity and respect but all of A Co. 2nd PLT, 3rd SQD say they're not, then we know where the problem lies.

Not trying to knock the idea. I think it could be beneficial if done correctly. And you may have already addressed issues like this or they may not be the problem I suspect them to be. Just throwing them out there.
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LTC Paul Yingling
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CPT Evans, you've raised a several important issues.
1. The feedback would be optional for each individual, consisting of ten questions with a 1-10 scale.
2. You're right. The survey would include a "don't know / no opinion" answer. If a unit is doing things right, then the troops don't have much to say about how a unit spends money. On the other hand, if a unit is violating the law in using tax payer funds, chances are the troops have seen it happen.
3. You've raised a great point about attribution. One reason I want to work with RallyPoint is that the site does such a great job in preventing trolling.
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SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint
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LTC Paul Yingling - I think MAJ (Join to see) has some interesting points. Remember when people put their name on it, the week before a promotion board to SGT or SSG....those troops may want to make it look good for themselves. We are dealing with humans! Pual, you sound like a great data cruncher... We could have used you in MI.
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LTC Jeff Shearer
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Paul, it has been a few years since I was BC I guess things have changed. I spent as much time as possible away from a desk on ranges, in airplanes, in remote ugly place with my guys. I am sure modern technology is making the military a better and more efficient place. I love technology, however, big caution coming from a knuckle dragging barbarian, I have a feeling this would almost isolate the command. I am sure there are many positives and some negatives I would be very cautious about letting that replace on the ground taking and observing your unit and men/women. I have no idea how many hours, many, many hours I spent with different members of my Battalion all different ranks, discussing every thing. I discussed everything from death in family, new births, parts of the unit that were broken and needed to be fixed. Many more times they would pass the information through different O's and NCO's. I did my best to have an environment if something was broken or could be done better it was suggested. Dont get me wrong I was all about fixing things but I did not have much patience for bitching because your little girl parts hurt. My response was normally something along the lines of this is a fucking SF unit they did not give that green beret so you could be a sissy. Paul my guys knew I loved them, I considered them my family, and I was in the middle of whatever I could physically be in.

I realize I am just ranting about my glory days but I never used the 360 program and I am sure it can benefit. Maybe it is good thing I got hurt and had to retire hahaa
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LTC Paul Yingling
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LTC Shearer, I agree on the importance of spending time on the ground with the troops. My profile picture shows me doing combatives with one of my soldiers, getting the worse end of a clinch drill :)

360 feedback wouldn't replace such contact. Instead, it would be another tool to learn more about a unit. As a commander, I believed that there was no such thing as knowing too much about my soldiers' thinking.
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LTC Jeff Shearer
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LTC Paul Yingling - Paul it sounds like you are all over it. FYI there is no exception for combatives training. There is nothing like putting your hands on another human not only for the training benefits but aids in the warrior mindset. Great stuff!!!
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SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth
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Thank you sir for the info.
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EXCELLENT IDEA!!! There's a wealth of potential in this.
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LTC Paul Yingling
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Thank you SSG Jones!
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LTC Dallas Powell
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I'm all for it, but wouldn't the constant turnover in all-military units kind of skew the results? (My battalion has a LOT of civilians, so much less turnover.)
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LTC Paul Yingling
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LTC Powell, you raise a great point. Glassdoor.com gets around this issue by tracking data over time. Sometimes you'll see a sharp upturn or downturn when leader turnover occurs. TF 360 could follow a similar approach, at least down to the company/troop/battery level. Beyond that, leader turnover would likely be too great to provide meaningful data.
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SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint
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I thought the IG did 360 Surveys, and we also had one for leaders in both the Army and Civil Service.
Could you get some people trying to destroy leadership with public information. How do you determine if the source of information just got two Article 15s and going for a Court Martial? Does that maggot have equal voice? Does that help others? Does that hurt or slant perception?
How is different from the Army and Civ Service program. In civil service attending the Pre-Executive Courses required 360 Reviews for COL level positions.

https://www.army.mil/standto/archive_2016-03-15

https://www.army.mil/standto/archive_2014-12-05

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LTC Paul Yingling
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Mr. Lint, you've raised two really important issues.

1. "Could you get some people trying to destroy leadership with public information?"
While it's possible to misuse any feedback system, RallyPoint does a great job of controlling trolling and other abuses. The influence score is an especially important feature, as it could give greater weight to those who have greater credibility. Ray Dalio uses a similar system at Bridgewater Capital.
https://www.ted.com/talks/ray_dalio_how_to_build_a_company_where_the_best_ideas_win

2. "How is different from the Army and Civ Service program?" These systems are valuable at providing confidential assessments to individuals. I'm proposing we supplement this information with publicly available assessments of organizations. When troops fill out the CDR360 surveys, they do not see the results. When those same troops review a product on Amazon, they see both their reviews and others instantaneously. More information about performance makes organizations better. We should want to know as much about the organizations defending our nation as we do about burger joints and shoe companies.
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SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint
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LTC Paul Yingling - I like the comparison to burgers. I just wonder how a struggling new BDE or BN commander would deal with the pressure of his seniors seeing this. You know there will be a visit and probably an organizational effectiveness survey mandated. Might want to make it so it is not viewable for 6 months into the command tour?
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I think it's a step in the right direction, but I would focus more on surveying an installation as a whole while making information about the command teams, a
unit history, and maybe significant personality traits or recurring events easily accessible. We have little say in where the military sends us, and a unit with less than spectacular feedback publicized so openly could skew perception and expectations before newcomers even get a chance to view the reality with fresh perspectives and bring in new ideas. Organizations could be forced into deeper ruts, despite improvements or entirely new commands taking charge, if newcomers arrived with bad expectations (read: negativity bias). If they would get around to fixing the MSAF 360 site and promote its /voluntary/ use, we could profit from the same broad feedback without the negative potentials. Hand-in-hand, those two systems would work well to give newcomers better expectation management while providing leaders and tenent personnel with lines for more open communication.
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ADM John Harvey
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Eventually I believe the services will make 360s routine for those in command and Flag/General Officers.
The benefits are immense from weeding out toxic or abusive leaders to helping leaders improve their performance.
Advancements in data analytics will enable the services to conduct these surveys with confidence that the results are accurate and can be acted upon.
I hope the day when 360s are routine comes soon - those who lead and those who are led deserve no less. JCHjr
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