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Henry David Thoreau writes that “All men recognize the right of revolution; that is, the right to refuse allegiance to, and to resist, the government, when its tyranny or its inefficiency are great and unendurable”. This may be a fact, but what is not a fact is that all men (and women) do not recognize, or at least agree, on when it becomes a necessity to revolt or conduct revolution. Although we may have differing ideas, I believe that we have already been given an exact measurement as to what constitutes an act of revolution against the American government.
In present day America, citizens riot and protest in the streets for any number of reasons. As of the announcement that Donald Trump won the election for President of the United States in November of 2016, it would seem that any reason is also a good reason to go out and call for civil war. That being said, I believe that this is absolute nonsense. I, however, seem to be the minority opinion. In September of 2017, Katie Williams wrote an article for the website “The Hill” in which she stated, “Anti-fascist activists, or ‘antifa’, increasingly mobilized in the wake of President Trump’s election, are unapologetic about what they describe as the necessary use of violence to combat authoritarianism.” Authoritarianism is defined as the enforcement of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom. Interestingly enough, the only authority that has been asked to be obedient to is the law and I do not believe that abiding by the law is any reason to riot or revolt against the President of the United States.
In fact, the founding fathers, in their ultimate wisdom and uncanny ability to foresee the trials of this country long before they ever occur, left all of us an exact set of circumstances in which it is proper to rise up against our government. In the second paragraph of the United States’ Declaration of Independence, the founding fathers wrote,
“We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness – That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
It was stated outright at the very moment that our country became a country, when the founding fathers initiated their own revolution against the tyrannical government of Great Britain, the very circumstances that they say fit to begin revolution.
The opposition may argue that we are experiencing a similar state of affairs at present but I submit that in order for a government or, in the case of the always hated President Donald Trump, an individual in government to be considered to be acting in a fashion that constitutes being defined as destructive that one must first identify the laws or article of the constitution that is being violated or disregarded. I ask that those who believe the government has reached a point in which it is time to take up arms against it to point out where violations have been purposefully perpetrated, for without being able to clearly demonstrate that one’s government has overstepped their bounds into realm of tyranny the peoples who choose to arm themselves against a lawful government are not revolutionaries but terrorists; terrorists are defined as persons who use unlawful violence in the pursuit of political aims.
I submit that, as citizens of what, in my opinion, is the greatest country to ever be, that we understand that there is a need for revolution when our government turns on us, but that time is not now. I believe that if and or when the time to take up arms is upon us that every man and woman will be able to see it. I believe that it is time that the citizens of this country recognize not only that there may be a time for revolution but that they recognize the correct set of circumstances laid out for us by our founding fathers to know when that time has come.
In present day America, citizens riot and protest in the streets for any number of reasons. As of the announcement that Donald Trump won the election for President of the United States in November of 2016, it would seem that any reason is also a good reason to go out and call for civil war. That being said, I believe that this is absolute nonsense. I, however, seem to be the minority opinion. In September of 2017, Katie Williams wrote an article for the website “The Hill” in which she stated, “Anti-fascist activists, or ‘antifa’, increasingly mobilized in the wake of President Trump’s election, are unapologetic about what they describe as the necessary use of violence to combat authoritarianism.” Authoritarianism is defined as the enforcement of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom. Interestingly enough, the only authority that has been asked to be obedient to is the law and I do not believe that abiding by the law is any reason to riot or revolt against the President of the United States.
In fact, the founding fathers, in their ultimate wisdom and uncanny ability to foresee the trials of this country long before they ever occur, left all of us an exact set of circumstances in which it is proper to rise up against our government. In the second paragraph of the United States’ Declaration of Independence, the founding fathers wrote,
“We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness – That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
It was stated outright at the very moment that our country became a country, when the founding fathers initiated their own revolution against the tyrannical government of Great Britain, the very circumstances that they say fit to begin revolution.
The opposition may argue that we are experiencing a similar state of affairs at present but I submit that in order for a government or, in the case of the always hated President Donald Trump, an individual in government to be considered to be acting in a fashion that constitutes being defined as destructive that one must first identify the laws or article of the constitution that is being violated or disregarded. I ask that those who believe the government has reached a point in which it is time to take up arms against it to point out where violations have been purposefully perpetrated, for without being able to clearly demonstrate that one’s government has overstepped their bounds into realm of tyranny the peoples who choose to arm themselves against a lawful government are not revolutionaries but terrorists; terrorists are defined as persons who use unlawful violence in the pursuit of political aims.
I submit that, as citizens of what, in my opinion, is the greatest country to ever be, that we understand that there is a need for revolution when our government turns on us, but that time is not now. I believe that if and or when the time to take up arms is upon us that every man and woman will be able to see it. I believe that it is time that the citizens of this country recognize not only that there may be a time for revolution but that they recognize the correct set of circumstances laid out for us by our founding fathers to know when that time has come.
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There is a saying "When intelligent people are out of a job, revolution begins. So that is like saying an idle mind is the devil's workshop.
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I gave NOT been relieved of the oath to which I raised my right hand eight times. "I sionenly swear to protect or defend the Constitution of The United States from ALL enemies, foreign or domestic..." I'm with President Donald Trump and fellow patriots who support him. MAGA/KAG
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In 2016 the people spoke, Trump won despite everything the Media, the Obama Admin, FBI, DOJ could do to influence it he WON. He like Obama before him is the duly elected president and as much as I Hated the Obama presidency and knew that it was terrible for our country I accepted the will of people. I suffered threw 8 years of him tarring this country apart, yes he is the person who got us in this mess. Trump is working everyday to try to make it better for us. We now have a president that actually LOVES this country is PROUD of this country and does not apologize for that fact. Get over it already.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
You may want to read the whole thing again. I think that you missed the point of the article.
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18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection against the established, elected government (including the incitement of violence), should be invoked against anyone who commits this crime. Minimum 10 years' imprisonment.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
You may misunderstand the purpose of revolution... However, seeing as how the conclusion of the piece is that revolt is unnecessary at this time the fact that you posted a statute makes little to no sense...
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"We"? Leave me out! You really believe in politicians left or right? That alone disqualifies you to even be apart of the true solution. And no I'm not talking anarchy.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
1.) Your comment makes no sense. 2.) Perhaps before responding you should actually read the piece... If you had you wouldn't have ANY basis for such a comment.
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I was in the Army from 1966 to 1975, like it or not your sworn to follow the Commader in Chief no matter what. I got out in 1975 because I was upset about the promotion freeze and it cost me a promotion to E6, I got out for that reason. I went into the Navy in 1976 and retired an E6 in 1988. You may not like who you serve under but you still have if you can get out. I served under 5 Presidents. Johnson was President when I was in Vietnam.
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What does all this banter have to do with military and or helping service members?
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
Is there something aboit being a service member or veteran that makes it so that you shouldn't have to remain informed of the political atmosphere of the nation? If anything, should our community not remain abreast of all developments in that sphere?
No, you're right; perhaps we should stick to stupid veteran themed youtube videos and basic training stories... Better not utilize one's brain to think about anything other than the good ol' days and complain about the state of the VA...
No, you're right; perhaps we should stick to stupid veteran themed youtube videos and basic training stories... Better not utilize one's brain to think about anything other than the good ol' days and complain about the state of the VA...
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SGT Joseph Gunderson - It's extremely important. Why do you think current events and historical items are covered on almost every board you go to? You have to know and understand the state of the nation and also learn from her history as well. Keep asking questions like this, you may know the answer but it's also important to pass that knowledge forward.
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How is this any different from the tea party and obstructionist Republicans when Obama was President? Same thing, different side.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
I wouldn't call it the same thing. There is a difference between calling for better government and violent riots while calling for the POTUS's head.
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SSgt Allan Stringer
Have you forgotten the calls for lynching POTUS Obama, Sgt Gunderson? Have you forgotten the violence encouraged by Trump during campaign rallies? Lies, violence and coordination with foreign governments were a trademark of the prevailing 2016 candidate.
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SPC Steve Willis, PhD
Obama is a Moslem terrorist who masqueraded as a president. We were try to prevent his subversion of the US government, a process we are still trying to reverse. If you really believe what you said, you are part of the problem, not part of any solution.
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