Posted on Mar 17, 2015
For the folks that have been Involuntarily Separated...
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Do you think the old program (perform to serve) had more flaws than good? Ive seen many EP sailors and outstanding members forced out of service because a computer "said" they were not good enough. For an example, for myself, i was a 6yr PO3, rate was locked up for some time, multiple cycles in a row with 0% advancement, scoring high 80-90 Percentiles with MP-EP Evaluations. One big factor in my separation is my command didn't have an "actual" career counselor at the time and my PTS application was sent in over a year late. I didn't even know what PTS was at that time. Besides that, I've seen many, many great sailors, leaders being involuntarily separated. I just think a command decision should have been a part-factor if a member is valuable to the unit and to the United States service.
If this has happened to anyone else please share.
reason why I'm sharing this is because i was born to be in the service. I don't think i will ever be a civilian.
- VETERAN - BU3 (SCW) Waiwaiole, USN Inactive Reserve
If this has happened to anyone else please share.
reason why I'm sharing this is because i was born to be in the service. I don't think i will ever be a civilian.
- VETERAN - BU3 (SCW) Waiwaiole, USN Inactive Reserve
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Edited 9 y ago
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PO1 Cleve Ikaika Waiwaiole, have you talked to a recruiter in hopes of coming back in?
I've been retired for almost 3 years now so I'm out of the loop but I believe there is recourse for Sailors who were separated under PTS(BS). I added the BS at the end to explain how I truly felt about the "program."
I've been retired for almost 3 years now so I'm out of the loop but I believe there is recourse for Sailors who were separated under PTS(BS). I added the BS at the end to explain how I truly felt about the "program."
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PO1 John Miller
If you absolutely can't come back on active duty you can always try the Navy Reserves. I know there's a reserve SEABEE unit in Hawaii, because I remember seeing them do drill weekend building projects at base housing in Pearl City when I was stationed in Hawaii from 2007-2010.
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PO1 Cleve Ikaika Waiwaiole
Yes I think I'll look into that! From what admin told me before I seperated is that it would be hard for me to go reserves because I was put into the IRR and they have to meet a certain # quota for personnel? Not too sure but I'll give it a go! I don't think I served enough time as active duty so I'm sure of it one day I'll be active once again. PO1 John Miller
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PO1 John Miller
I'm pretty sure the IRR wouldn't have a problem releasing you to the Active Reserves. After all, in IRR you don't even drill!
Also, consider the National Guard if you want to server and it doesn't necessarily have to be in the Navy. I think the NG has the Army Corps of Engineers which is as close as the Army gets to the mighty SEABEES.
Also, consider the National Guard if you want to server and it doesn't necessarily have to be in the Navy. I think the NG has the Army Corps of Engineers which is as close as the Army gets to the mighty SEABEES.
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I expect that the reason you haven't had any response to your thread is that there simply isn't enough information provided. I would suspect, however, that there would have been mechanisms available for you to have appealed the involuntary separation. Did you attempt an appeal? Have you looked into the possibility of reentering active duty in another field? What about active reserve opportunities?
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PO1 Cleve Ikaika Waiwaiole
My career counselor said nothing about being able to appeal. They do offer you other rates to "cross rate" into but they only offered SO, CS (SUB) and LS (SUB) which are jobs I'd never pursue
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