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Medals are tied to promotion points for enlisted but does getting "one above" on a deployment (ie MSM instead of a Commendation medal) or receiving an achievement medal for planning an exercise actually have any benefit other than a physical representation of a job well done?
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Some commands are horrible at processing awards. I submitted for a Soldier's Medal (non combat valor) for an NCO of mine that stopped a knife attack on a neighbor 1) Attended to her injuries, 2) Restrained the assailant for police 3) directed others to aid in the situation 4) at great physical risk to himself for injury.

In the packet I had statements from the 1) prosecuting attorney of his actions that led to the successful conviction. 2) A statement from the apartment manager about his actions, and 3) a statement from a neighbor of his actions and the neighbor was a Active Duty USMC Captain.

That award went nowhere, and I submitted it twice under two different BC's and included direct verbal communication about the situation with my BC's. I certainly just didn't leave it with S1 and forgot about it.

This award would have been on par with a Bronze Star with V. So I anticipated resistance to give it to a USAR soldier not on orders and recommended by a 1LT commander, but all the criteria were met and this is exactly what a Soldier Medal is designed for. I even researched situations where a Soldier Medal was awarded and these actions were very much on par and even more impressive than others where lives where saved (CPR aid for example), but risk to self was minimal.

Further, I didn't get an award for my command, my two 1SG's didn't get awards for their time. Awards where submitted, the CSM even hounded me about submitting awards, and still nothing. I left my command with the company at #2 in the BN, and I was rated on my OER as #1 LT in the BN. So it's not without justification. But the right rank for the right award has to put in their CAC and enter their PIN on the DA638 and send send it back to S1 to process and iPerm.

I'm just glad to be where I'm at now.

What I've learned is there needs to be a command culture of PROCESSING AWARDS. Otherwise you hit a brick wall. I literally had an NCO of mine receive TWO ARCOM's for an exercise. These TWO were for the EXACT SAME THING!!!!! I'm sure what happened was the generals in charge of this major exercise were bent on handing out awards. So it was pushed on me to get them submitted before we left for home. Somewhere in there I guess my paperwork ended up at two different approving authorities. As such, two different COL's signed off on an ARCOM for him. This is a year after the fact, and all I could tell him he was one lucky SOB, because I'm not motivated to try and reverse one of them now they both have been iPerm'd and were awarded outside of our Chain of Command. Two ARCOM's two different Order Numbers. DONE DEAL.

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I guess my point is a ribbon racks only impresses those unaware of the culture, and you never truly know the luck a soldier has had in his career in regard to awards.
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similar experience. As company CO, I had a SPC who, on the way to drill one very foggy Saturday morning, witnessed a very bad wreck. He stopped, provided assistance and stood in the fog with a flashlight directing/warning traffic until first responders arrived on the scene. He put himself in great personal danger to prevent further accidents. Put him in for a soldier's medal and it went nowhere.

unrelated: I spent 11 years in the National guard. 3 deployments, 3 company commands, 2 primary BN staff positions, always the first to volunteer any time they needed someone for a mission or school. I transferred to the reserves and didn't get so much as a thank you or handshake, much less any kind of award.
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They matter to an extent. For example, if you leave command with a commendation medal instead of an MSM people will be quick to review your evaluation to see if you did something wrong or performed poorly. When board members (at least in the Army) review promotion files they assign each file a point value (3, 3+, 4, 4+, 5, 5+, 6, 6+) and this is where your file may receive a higher rating during a promotion board if you have “higher” awards than you peers. No don’t get me wrong, what really matters to an officer’s career is well written Evaluations, tough jobs, and your performance in those jobs.
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LTC Jason Mackay - when I was a CPT, I was tasked as planning officer for Key Resolve (one of the big Korea exercises with thousands of soldiers). The previous year, they had 2 LTCs planning this exercise. Worked my ass off and it went off without a hitch. ARCOM.....whereas the 2 LTCs the year prior had gotten MSMs.
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MAJ Javier Rivera
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During my 1st companing command I had a SSG who ran my motor pool better than the BN Senior Maintenance NCO. She fixed stuffed for them as well! When it was time for her to PCS o wrote her a MSN. 3 day later had it back from BN S1 with a note: write an ARCOM. My reply? Nope, staff it all the way up. That’s why it has a block for (recommend or not). BDE did the same. I held my ground. MSM approved!
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MAJ Battalion Executive Officer
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LTC (Join to see) I’m sorry to hear that Sir. Things have definitely changed. The BN I served in, all four Company Commanders earned MSM as PCS awards but not all received MQ ratings.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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MAJ (Join to see) to the original post, Capt (Join to see) medals don’t really matter for officers unless there is a complete absence if them. What ever you wear in the photo has to match your file. It’s not like you control what you get put in for. You do your best and hope it resonates.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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Not officially, but if you have the ribbon rack of a Private, the assumption is that you also share the competence of a Private, and you're going to be judged accordingly.
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Yeah, there was a prior enlisted CPT in my Battalion who retired out as a CPT. CPT is pretty low to "retire" out of as an officer, but where I judged him was he got to 20 and didn't even have an ARCOM on his ASU's. I was thinking, WTF dude.........
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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CPT (Join to see) - with prior enlisted officers, most of my fiends who made the transition did so after 10-14 years of enlisted service, so I can understand them retiring at CPT-MAJ. After all, they only have half as many years as their non prier enlisted counterparts to climb the same ladder.
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SFC Michael Hasbun - Yea, but I got my ARCOM as an E5, and he commissioned from E7. I'm hoping I can squeeze out an MSM before I'm done. I already got my ARCOM, but it was for sitting on the couch playing video games for 7 months while assigned as intel augmentee to an SF Alpha team. That's not what the DA638 says, but you know what really goes on. I didn't produce any theater changing intel products.
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