Posted on Jun 13, 2018
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Can you use punctuation? Already off to a bad start. I have no idea what your question is.
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Sorry about that.
When I posted this question it didn’t look remotely close to whatever this abomination is. I submitted my 4187 for reclassification into the 35L MOS but my commander wants me to complete ALC before he gives me a signature. Even though it’s a packet MOS is he allowed to not send it up to the battalion commander for his approval ? He did state that he’s not approving it nor disapproving it.
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SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint
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Not sure how he is going to survive Report Writing Phase at FT HU.
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Your commander can require you to go to NCOES. The only bad part of that is the technical training of your current MOS isn’t likely a benefit once you become a 35L. Either way the commitment towards your application to CI is well worth the hassle of going to a school for your commander. SGT (Join to see)
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SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint
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Have you talked to Counterintelligence Special Agents? Contact your local ones. There is probably a 902d MI Group office there.
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I did sir, all he stated was that I needed the 4187 signed by the battalion commander so we can do the interview. It didn’t get pass the company commander. I was told by the company commander that he wants to see more out of me in my section and to go and pass ALC.
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SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint
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SGT (Join to see) - Obviously, I do not know your situation but your commander and chain of command know it much better than I would. As a CI Special Agent, you will need to be able to influence others. 1. Did you impress the CI agents? 2. Did you impress your chain of command?
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The CI Agent that I spoke with stated that he would only give me the interview once I had a 4187 signed. I only been on station a little over a year so they don’t really have a lot to go on, so they wanted to see how I do in ALC first.
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That is correct, the Battalion commander is the 4187 approval signature for this process, as long as it concurs with his Company commander. If the Company commander disapproves your 4187, then sends it up to Battalion, the Battalion commander will disapprove it as well. The interviewing agent can't help you with that, nor move further in the application process.

It sounds like the Company commander is doing a professional filter on you. That is not to say you are a bad candidate, but that he wants to see you further develop before he puts his name on the line vouching that you would be a good candidate for 35L. You should ask for specific areas he wants to see you improve in, so that you can target those.

On the other hand, you must professionally articulate to him that if you pick up SSG after completing ALC, you will no longer be eligible for reclass to 35L, as the highest we take are E-5 (P).

Are you currently scheduled for ALC?
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SGT (Join to see) - NCOPDS takes priority over everything, unless an 0-7 says otherwise. Since you are slotted and will be going to ALC regardless, it is not a bad tool to gauge your overall motivation and improvement.

Looking at last months promotion cutoff scores, it appears you are in a STAR MOS (68M), so promotion points to E-6 are at 15. Your MOS needs personnel almost as bad as mine. That makes it a tough sell, because the Army is not benefiting from the transaction; you would be going from one short MOS to another; in reality, HRC might end up disapproving the request. If your MOS was balanced or over-strength, it would be easier.

I can't speak for your commander, but I can only give him the benefit of the doubt. The best case scenario is he is being genuine, and wants to see if you do well at at ALC, as a way to culminate his assessment of your professional development. Its possible he knows the Battalion Commander tends to reject reclass requests (due to shortage), and wants to have as much firepower he can to honestly fight for your request to be approved.

The worst and most unlikely scenario, he wants you to graduate ALC so they can board you immediately afterward or you are forced to attend the board due to MLI, forcing you to pin E-6 the following month as a 68M. If you hit Primary Zone in February 2019, you will have to attend the mandatory promotion board in January or February 2019 (someone correct me if i'm wrong), and would likely promote on 1 March 2019 whether you've submitted your 35L Packet or not. Like I said, I can't assume your Commander would do that intentionally, but ensure you are aware of all the options, so you can present the clearest picture to work within. Sometimes the small timing details can accidentally cause unexpected problems, if you aren't aware they exist ahead of time.
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USAR will reclass you even as a SFC right now. No waiver.
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I actually have a question as well, and I hope that you may be able to answer it, or at least tell me where to look.
I'm PCSing at the end of the year, but I just received my 35L acceptance letter.
Retention is telling me that I'll need to remain at my next duty station for a year before I can get a school date, but I've heard that's not the case. If necessary, I'll wait around for a year, but I'm wondering if there is a way around that, and where I would find the regulation that states it.
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PFC (Join to see) AR 614-200 states that you must have a year on station to reclass and that you cannot Reclass while on assignment instructions. Your Career Counselor is not only the SME, but the person who processes your Reclass. Ignore the barracks lawyers and go straight to the source
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