Posted on Apr 26, 2018
SPC Field Artillery Tactical Data Systems Specialist
29.3K
297
110
36
36
0
Posted in these groups: Rank RankArmy-usa-or-08b.svg MSGArmy-usa-or-08a.svg 1SG
Avatar_feed
Responses: 54
SFC Vet Technician
42
42
0
They are both in the E-8 grade, however the First Sergeant rank is applies to the SNCO that is given a role and responsibility as part of the Command Team. It is not unusual for a MSG to have done time as a First Sergeant. Even if the MSG has more time in grade than the E8 in the First Sergeant Role, the First Sergeant, just by virtue of position, becomes the NCOIC of the company.
Often a Master Sergeant will perform their duties as a Senior Staff NCO, especially at higher echelons. The closest analogy would be the difference between a Sergeant Major (SGM) and a Command Sergeant Major (CSM). The SGM is similar to a MSG, where CSM is similar to 1SG.

I am sure you can find plenty of information on this topic with that new thing called the internet.
(42)
Comment
(0)
SPC Daniel Rankin
SPC Daniel Rankin
1 y
I know that the First Sergeant spent more time with the plt and the MSG spent more time in the office. He did an inspection of the barracks on occasion but usually left that to the 1st sgt.
(0)
Reply
(0)
SFC Vet Technician
SFC (Join to see)
1 y
SPC Daniel Rankin , One of the responsibilities that fall to the First Sergeant Position is the management of the unit's Soldier's housing. Both in garrison and bivouac settings.
(0)
Reply
(0)
SPC Daniel Rankin
SPC Daniel Rankin
1 y
I usually worked with the battalion level so did not know this. I was also married and lived off base. Got my own housing arrangement also. Not once was I ever compensated for my rent.
(0)
Reply
(0)
Avatar_small
MSG Joseph Cristofaro
38
38
0
As a MSG, I was a team NCOIC at the Battalion level. 1SG is a command slot normally in a Company. The 1SG outranks all E-8s and below within the assigned unit just like the Company Commander, normally a CPT, outranks all CPTs and below within the assigned unit.
To sum it up, MSG is the default rank of an E-8. 1SG, is an assigned rank when you are appointed to the position. When you leave the position, you become a MSG again unless appointed to a different 1SG slot.
(38)
Comment
(0)
MSG Joseph Cristofaro
MSG Joseph Cristofaro
>1 y
CPT William Jones -
I think the issue we are having is in terms of authority. The 1SG and CSM are command ranks meaning, you have to be in a command slot to hold the rank. Unlike a CPT or LTC, there is a change to the rank based on the position held.
(2)
Reply
(0)
CPT William Jones
CPT William Jones
>1 y
Technically Neither one Has any command authority. In real life when they ask/tell you something you must remember who they work for and whose ear they have. They generally enter their bossed office without knocking
(0)
Reply
(0)
MSG Joseph Cristofaro
MSG Joseph Cristofaro
>1 y
CPT William Jones -
You don't seem to be following. The rank itself is a command rank meaning they have to be in a designated position in that particular command. A 1SG who is not in a command slot reverts back to MSG, the same with a CSM who reverts to SGM.
The position itself does not imbue the 1SG with command authority similar to a Company Cdr, instead, the authority that the 1SG or CSM has can be found in Army regs and the UCMJ.
It applies specifically in this case to all enlisted in the unit and among them is article 91-insubordination to non-commissioned officer or Article 92-failure to obey order or regulation.
It is true the 1SG or CSM's area of influence based on the position is the greater power
(1)
Reply
(0)
SFC Scott Higgins
SFC Scott Higgins
1 y
A Master Sergeant is an E-8 and always will be; despite their role within a unit. While the First Sergeant Role is and E-8 position, it may be filled by someone of a lower rank. As an E-6 (Staff Sergeant) I served as the Company First Sergeant when my First Sergeant allowed all of the Company's E-7 take leave at the same time along with himself. I also served as Company First Sergeant as an E-7 (Sergeant First Class) when my First Sergeant was away at First Sergeants School. Both were temporary assignments of course.
(1)
Reply
(0)
Avatar_small
SGT Joseph Gunderson
30
28
2
If you are an E4 and you are asking this question, your drill sergeants and every leader that you have had after that have failed you.
(30)
Comment
(2)
SGT Joseph Gunderson
SGT Joseph Gunderson
1 y
SPC Daniel Rankin okay... Nearly every question asked by two year olds are going to be stupid.... But they are asked by two year olds amd youdealwith that because ALL two year olds are stupid.... Because they are two....

These are adults. These are SMs... If they are going to ask stupod questions they should not be dealt with in the same fashion that we deal with children. Again, this is that touchyfeely bullshit that is ruining this country.
(0)
Reply
(0)
SPC Daniel Rankin
SPC Daniel Rankin
1 y
If you want to know the truth I have had enough of your young and ignorant attitude. This conversation is at an end. I think I have met a lot of 2 year olds that have smarter attitudes then you because they are not afraid to ask questions. And they will learn by asking. Evidently you are afraid to ask that is why you think questions are stupid. So just drop this line of question and move on sgt. You are too ignorant to learn anything.
(1)
Reply
(0)
SGT Joseph Gunderson
SGT Joseph Gunderson
1 y
SPC Daniel Rankin that last comment made me chuckle.
(0)
Reply
(0)
SFC Combat Engineer
SFC (Join to see)
4 mo
You got that right.
(0)
Reply
(0)
Avatar_small

Join nearly 2 million former and current members of the US military, just like you.

close
Seg?add=7750261&t=2