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By now you have likely seen the conspiracies of secret camps and military exercises training in American cities. I've seen a lot of folks speculating that if the "power went out" the military would be taking to the streets to maintain order. As active serving military, leaders and NCOs, what are your thoughts on these topics? What would you say to these theories?
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I think some of these theories are far fetched, and many times these people are over-reaching to prove their point. When you see picture of HMMWVS in the Ambulance configuration on railcars with the Crescent Moon emblem on them, some people panic and scream conspiracy. I have to ask, isn't Turkey an Ally? or any other Muslim nation, and the Crescent Moon is a Red Cross in those nations. When I hear or read about someone freaking out about Tanks on Railcars, I have to explain, that when a Unit deploys anywhere in the world, they move from their bases within the United States, to their port of debarkation via rail, thus they do not take up road space, or destroy roadway that is meant for Cars or Trucks. And of course the fastest way to move Military Equipment en-mass is via rail. Saw a video once where these people flipped out, because all these Vehicles, Tanks, and APC's were on Rail Cars in California. turns out they were less than 10 miles from NTC, and the Unit was deploying back to their home base. People really are sheep, and will be afraid of things they could never understand
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SGT Mark Sullivan
Agreed, LOL, it's even funnier when I tell them I was a part of the Aviation community when I was in the military, they really geek out then. I just don't tell the rest, that I was Rotary wing, unless, I want them to talk about Black Helicopters...
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Sgt (Join to see)
I love the chemtrail conspiracies. Particularly when someone records a plane landing in an obviously humid setting, causing large/clear vapor trails (or however that works), and they are freaking out because "someone forgot to turn off the chemtrails". HA!
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LT Charles Baird
Well you can find about 25 to 35 conspiracy theories that turned out to be true in our history - so maybe they are not so far fetched. Just a thought
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PFC Jerry Bruce
SGT Mark Sullivan - SGT SULLIVAN, I AM A VET, I HAVE SEEN MORE IN MY LIFETIME THEN YOU WILL PROBABLY EVER SEE. I HAVE STUDIED THIS MAN Obama VERY CLOSELY FOR 7 YEARS... I HAVE FOLLOWED HIS ACTIONS & COMMENTS.. I HAVE STUDIED HIS RADICAL BACKGROUND. HE IS FOLLOWING THE 8 STEPS OF LENINS TEACHINGS EXACTLY. FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS MAN IS DOING, YOU NEED TO READ ABOUT HOW RUSSIA BECAME COMMUNIST.. READ VLADIMIR Lenin's INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO CONVERT A COUNTRY TO SOCIALISM OR COMMUNISM. YOU ARE MAKING ASSUMPTIONS WITH OUT LOOKING FOR FACTS.. THIS IS A COMMON MISTAKE FOR PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE. THEY LOOK AT A SNAPSHOT & START MAKING COMMENTS.. (THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT THIS IS A WAY FOR EVIL TO FOOL THE PEOPLE)..LOOK AT THE ACTIONS OF Obama;S AND THEN TELL ME HE IS NOT DOING ANY OF THESE THINGS.. YOU WOULD BE LYING IF YOU DID, IF YOU READ WHAT I SUGESTED EARLIER... OF COURSE IF YOU WANT A SHORT CUT, LOOK UP ON FACE BOOK THE COMMENTS BY GARRET GREER, TITLED ( BEWARE THE USEFUL IDIOTS) IT HAS THE 8 STEPS IN IT ALSO.. THERE IS A CONSPERICY HERE & YOU WHO ARE BLIND WILL HAVE TO EAT YOUR WORDS & THE TASTE WILL NOT BE PLEASANT. Obama IS HEADING US TO AN Islamic STATE & HE JUST SIGNED A NEW EXECITIVE ORDER TO RESTRICT MORE GUNS & ADDED MORE REGULATIONS. HE HAS NOT FOUND A GOOD WAY AROUND THE 2ND AMENDMENT,, BUT A BATTERY OF 12 LAWERS ARE TRYING DESPERTLY TO DO IT BY MARCH AS ORDERED BY Obama. YOU MAY KNOW WHAT HIS-- ONLY-- OTHER OPTION WILL BE !!!!!
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I'm not AD, but a lot of what's out there is conspiracy theory. Now with that said, there is usually a shred of truth buried in every conspiracy theory -- just enough to make it believable.
The truth is that we ARE building a data facility out West with Zetabytes of storage capacity. That's enough to maintain an active dossier for every person on the planet! For what purpose is that needed when this country is trillions of dollars in debt? Is that the best use of our taxpayer dollars?
The truth is that the gov't has built/is building? detention facilities out in the middle of nowhere. For what purpose? It doesn't make sense that we would ship illegals inland to these facilities when we could for the same expense, ship them back to the border.
I don't know why our gov't feels a need to decide what's best for We The People who elect our leaders when the majority of the public says we don't want something:
- like borrowing more money from the Federal Reserve and foreign countries to pay for the out of control spending of our Congress, the cost of which is being passed on to future generations...
- like a militarized police force...
- like gun control laws that keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens...
- like warrantless invasion of our privacy...
- like Obamacare!
Americans are the most divided they have ever been in this country's history. Our great uniter has been the greatest race-baiting divider this nation has ever had the misfortune to trust with our votes.
America is long overdue a return to the kind of leadership that founded this country. One that placed a high value on individual responsibility and personal accountability, which are so lacking in today's leadership. Those we elect to represent us are but a reflection of ourselves. We have a lot of soul searching to do. Are we to go the route every democratically elected gov't that has preceded ours has gone? Or will we learn from the mistakes of history and vow not to repeat them?
I trust our military leaders have learned from the mistakes of history (such as those made at Kent State by our National Guard), and that they would be on the side of the people (should our gov't leaders get too big for their britches. forget who elected them and fail to do what they were sent to Washington to do -- i.e., represent the PEOPLE's interest!)
WE THE PEOPLE hire our elected officials by electing them to office. WE THE PEOPLE pay their salaries with our hard-earned tax dollars. WE do NOT exist to serve them; THEY ANSWER TO US!
The truth is that we ARE building a data facility out West with Zetabytes of storage capacity. That's enough to maintain an active dossier for every person on the planet! For what purpose is that needed when this country is trillions of dollars in debt? Is that the best use of our taxpayer dollars?
The truth is that the gov't has built/is building? detention facilities out in the middle of nowhere. For what purpose? It doesn't make sense that we would ship illegals inland to these facilities when we could for the same expense, ship them back to the border.
I don't know why our gov't feels a need to decide what's best for We The People who elect our leaders when the majority of the public says we don't want something:
- like borrowing more money from the Federal Reserve and foreign countries to pay for the out of control spending of our Congress, the cost of which is being passed on to future generations...
- like a militarized police force...
- like gun control laws that keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens...
- like warrantless invasion of our privacy...
- like Obamacare!
Americans are the most divided they have ever been in this country's history. Our great uniter has been the greatest race-baiting divider this nation has ever had the misfortune to trust with our votes.
America is long overdue a return to the kind of leadership that founded this country. One that placed a high value on individual responsibility and personal accountability, which are so lacking in today's leadership. Those we elect to represent us are but a reflection of ourselves. We have a lot of soul searching to do. Are we to go the route every democratically elected gov't that has preceded ours has gone? Or will we learn from the mistakes of history and vow not to repeat them?
I trust our military leaders have learned from the mistakes of history (such as those made at Kent State by our National Guard), and that they would be on the side of the people (should our gov't leaders get too big for their britches. forget who elected them and fail to do what they were sent to Washington to do -- i.e., represent the PEOPLE's interest!)
WE THE PEOPLE hire our elected officials by electing them to office. WE THE PEOPLE pay their salaries with our hard-earned tax dollars. WE do NOT exist to serve them; THEY ANSWER TO US!
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PFC Jerry Bruce
CAPT SCHWAGER. I REMEMBER THE STORY OF THE Indian & AMERICA... The Americans come over to avoid bad government & have freedom... They pushed the Indian to sign the treaty several times,,(usually with promises not kept)the Indian signed, the treaty...it was broken by Americans every time.. We lied to them, we cheated them, we killed them,,, till we won...NOW it is our turn to be the Indian --- for here come the Muslims...it is the same scene,, , just different players...
I have a lot of evidence, that the goal of Obama's is to make this into an Islamic State. We already know his background is from a Communist Father that was a follower of LENIN's teachings. we already know of his radical background & association with a lot of anti-Americans. We already know he is protecting the Muslims at every turn' we also know he will not stop the refugees or close our borders. we know he has ordered middle & ELEMENTRY schools to include Islam & the Quran in their teaching were possible. We already know he just signed a new Executive Order to have more gun control & add more restrictions , even banning some types. I ALSO KNOW THAT WHEN TRUMP DUG INTO Obama's BIRTH CERTIFICATE , THAT HE FOUND THAT THE PEOPLE BEHIND OBAMA ARE BILLIONAIRES THAT EVEN HE CAN'T BUCK AS A CITIZEN... BUT AS PRESIDENT, HE HAS THE MILITARY & HE CAN STOP OBAMA COLD. THIS IS NOT THERORY, IT IS FACT & MOST OF IT CAN BE PROVEN BY Obama's ACTIONS & BY LOOKING AT Lenin's 8 STEPS TO CONVERT A COUNTRY TO SOCIALISM.. YOU CAN FIND A LIST OF THE 8 STEPS ON FACE BOOK ,BY GARRET GEER TITLED ( BEWARE THE USFUL IDIOTS) I AM AN OLD VET THAT HAS SEEN THE HOLACOST, THE INVASION OF Poland, THE CONQURING OF FRANCE, THE FANATIC REGIME OF JAPAN THAT TURNED THE PEOP[LE IN TO WAR FANATICS THAT WOULD RATHER DIE THEN SURRENDER. I HAD 6 MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY IN THAT WAR,,,I HAVE SERVED MY TIME DEFENDING THIS NATION,,, BUT WHAT I SEE ON THE HORIZON IS THE OLD INDIAN STORY ,,,ALL OVER... AGAIN... IN GOD WE TRUST,,, ALL OTHERS BEAR WATCHING...
I have a lot of evidence, that the goal of Obama's is to make this into an Islamic State. We already know his background is from a Communist Father that was a follower of LENIN's teachings. we already know of his radical background & association with a lot of anti-Americans. We already know he is protecting the Muslims at every turn' we also know he will not stop the refugees or close our borders. we know he has ordered middle & ELEMENTRY schools to include Islam & the Quran in their teaching were possible. We already know he just signed a new Executive Order to have more gun control & add more restrictions , even banning some types. I ALSO KNOW THAT WHEN TRUMP DUG INTO Obama's BIRTH CERTIFICATE , THAT HE FOUND THAT THE PEOPLE BEHIND OBAMA ARE BILLIONAIRES THAT EVEN HE CAN'T BUCK AS A CITIZEN... BUT AS PRESIDENT, HE HAS THE MILITARY & HE CAN STOP OBAMA COLD. THIS IS NOT THERORY, IT IS FACT & MOST OF IT CAN BE PROVEN BY Obama's ACTIONS & BY LOOKING AT Lenin's 8 STEPS TO CONVERT A COUNTRY TO SOCIALISM.. YOU CAN FIND A LIST OF THE 8 STEPS ON FACE BOOK ,BY GARRET GEER TITLED ( BEWARE THE USFUL IDIOTS) I AM AN OLD VET THAT HAS SEEN THE HOLACOST, THE INVASION OF Poland, THE CONQURING OF FRANCE, THE FANATIC REGIME OF JAPAN THAT TURNED THE PEOP[LE IN TO WAR FANATICS THAT WOULD RATHER DIE THEN SURRENDER. I HAD 6 MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY IN THAT WAR,,,I HAVE SERVED MY TIME DEFENDING THIS NATION,,, BUT WHAT I SEE ON THE HORIZON IS THE OLD INDIAN STORY ,,,ALL OVER... AGAIN... IN GOD WE TRUST,,, ALL OTHERS BEAR WATCHING...
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PFC Jerry Bruce
YOU ARE 100% CORRECT CAPT. I KNOW MY HISTORY & I -- AT 80 PLUS YEARS OLD HAVE SEEN SO MUCH THAT PEOPLE THOUGHT WAS UNBELIEABLE TILL IT HAPPENED.. I WATCHED THE DESTRUCTION OF EUROPE, I HAVE SEEN THE TURNING OF THE JAPANESE PEOPLE TO ACTUAL FANATICS BY TOJO. I HAVE SEEN THE RUSSIANS TAKE POLAND ... NOW I AM SEEING THE MUSLIMS TAKE FRANCE & THE UK. BOTH HAVE NO ARMS FOR THE PEOPLE. WE ARE LOSING OUR GUNS BY MORE RESTRICTIONS PASSED BY EXECTIVE ORDER, AS WAS SIGNED AGAIN YESTERDAY. WE ARE LOSING THE BATTLE INLESS WE CAN WAKE THE PEOPLE UP & GET THE IMPEACMENT OF OBAMA FOR HE HAS LAWYERS WORKING , 12 AT LAST COUNT TO GET AROUND THE 2ND AMENDMENT... WE MUST NOT ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.
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I find it hard to believe that in this day and age with the advent of social media, that any kind of camp could be kept a secret. I have heard plenty of the conspiracy theory stuff. I used to have a fellow PSG that followed the conspiracy theory stuff to the extreme.
As far as the training with civilian law enforcement and emergency responders goes under HR 5122, signed into law on 17 October 2006,
Section 1076 is titled "Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies." It provided that:
The President may employ the armed forces... to... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition... the President determines that... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such... a condition... so hinders the execution of the laws... that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law... or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.[6]
So could the President suspend Posse Comitatus Act and operate under the auspices of HR 5122, sure would it be a hard sale to get through Congress, you bet.
As far as the training with civilian law enforcement and emergency responders goes under HR 5122, signed into law on 17 October 2006,
Section 1076 is titled "Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies." It provided that:
The President may employ the armed forces... to... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition... the President determines that... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such... a condition... so hinders the execution of the laws... that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law... or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.[6]
So could the President suspend Posse Comitatus Act and operate under the auspices of HR 5122, sure would it be a hard sale to get through Congress, you bet.
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Not a fan of HR 5122. This is a bad turn. I would question any orders under HR 5122.
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PFC Jerry Bruce
Obama HAS BY PASSED congress IN MANY INSTANCES & WOULD NOT HESITATE TO DO IT AGAIN, FOR HE CONSIDERS HIM SELF ABOVE THE LAW.. WHAT WOULD congress DO--- IF HE ISSUED A ORDER OF MARTIAL LAW,,, -- UNDER THE GUISE OF ANOTHER TERRORIST ATTACK SO HE CAN TAKE CONTROL... would THE ARMY FOLOW HIS ORDERS FOR HE IS STILL THE c in chief.????? I KNOW HIS PLANS ARE FOR DISARMING US LEGALLY IF POSSIBLE. HE WANTS THIS TO BE AN ISLAMIC STATE...
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