1SG (Join to see) - I do not deny that. I just do not see a solution unless the courts draw the boundaries, and even then in most states the judges are elected, probably on ideology.

MSG Stan Hutchison - All these states have laws, most of whom designate the legislature as having the authority to draw lines as population shifts. This of course entrenches the incumbents. I do0n't know that the courts would be any better at this, aside from they don't stand to directly benefit.
I would like to see them referee if necessary - kind of like the replay official in football. We elect people to do their best as our representatives, and we should not undermine that. If they are really that bad, elect someone else.

1SG (Join to see) - The problem is it all depends on which side one is on. What is bad for you may be good for me and vice-versa. So, we seem to be stuck.

MSG Stan Hutchison - It often ends up being good for both. There are extremely safe blue districts and extremely safe red districts - and just a handful of competitive ones. Many of these gerrymandered maps are approved by overwhelming majorities in their state legislature, because everyone sitting there stands to benefit.