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When protests turned violent in some cities, everybody said that they agreed with the right to protest peacefully, just don't be violent. Above is a picture of Kapernick during the national anthem. Could there be a more peaceful, nonviolent manner of protesting than that? And the appeals to the flag code are just BS. Take a look at the picture. Look at all the people who don't have their hands over their hearts! Many have their arms behind their backs! That is a spit in the eye to every veteran who ever lived, and all those assholes must be completely anti miitary! OMFG!

But actually, what angers most people wasn't his actual act of protest. Most people probably never even noticed it. In reality it was his words after the act, when asked why he did it. That pisses some people off, so they attack him. And they say stupid stuff like why doesn't he spend money on the community! Since when is an Americans right to protest against an action of the government contingent on spending money in the community.

And especially, if the government action you are protesting is police brutality towards black people and racial discrimination, who exactly is he supposed to give money to in order to stop that? The police unions? Hardly. When citizens feel an armed organization of the government with extraordinary authorities to use violence against citizens is allowing incidences of misconduct and illegal killings to go uninvestigated or covered up, with no accountability for the officers involved, that's not a problem the citizens have to throw money at to get fixed.

It is a problem that only will get fixed when the entire population, not just the small segment facing the discrimination, is made aware of it and demands corrective action by their elected officials. That's exactly the way our system is designed to work. So a person like Kapernick uses a completely peaceful act to raise awareness of the problem, and he is chastised for it. It is especially hypocritical, IMO , to be chastised by those claiming to be disrespected by the protest because they fought for the right to protest. What kind of bizzaro world are we living in?

In North Korea I'm sure everyone stands for the national anthem, likely under penalty of death. Fortunately we don't live in a system like that, and countless veterans have died to insure we don't. But if we pressure those with a grievance to stand and show respect even when they aren't feeling it, isn't that just as phony as all the NK people wildly cheering Kim? Even some people on this board are trying to say "everyone must stand, it's the law!! ", implying that respect is mandatory whether believed or not.

I believe the real issue is that people are uncomfortable with the fact that the racial discrimination that exists is being brought more to the forefront. It's like "why can't they just be quiet about it?" Just like people not all that long ago said "why are they making such a fuss and disrupting things? There are chairs in the colored section for them to sit in! Why do they have to protest and cause trouble? And what's wrong with the back of the bus? They just want to ruin everything!"
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
PO3 Steven Sherrill
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LTC (Join to see) - I may not agree with you on some of your points, but I do appreciate that you are articulating them in a polite manner, as an open discourse rather than being stand offish.
I really agree, and hate that the media is only covering the "news" stories that will get them the most ratings. The only time a feel good story is covered is when it involves a life or death situation. Otherwise it is all gloom and doom all the time. So the real question is what is it that just happened that we should be paying attention to that is not being covered?
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Cpl Richard Chew
Cpl Richard Chew
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Say or do whatever you want, but remember your not the only one with 1st Amendment Rights.
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SGT Edward Wilcox
SGT Edward Wilcox
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1SG Patrick Burke -
Fact: You called me a liberal before I called you a conservative, as evidenced by your question, "Are you now exercising the Liberal deflection?".
Fact: I posted the cartoon(not a meme, that is something completely different) as an example of the double-standard exercised by you and your compatriots.

Let it go.
We are done.
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1SG Patrick Burke
1SG Patrick Burke
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SGT Edward Wilcox - You spin a meme for a cartoon, nice job. You post a meme that has nothing to do with the topic and throw a continued hissy fit because I don't agree with you.
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SGT Edward Wilcox
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Double standard?
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SGT Edward Wilcox
SGT Edward Wilcox
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1SG Patrick Burke - Are you one of those conservative trolls? No spin. Just wondering how it is that Trump can say America isn't great, and gets applause, but when a black football player says it, he gets criticized. That is the very definition of a double standard.
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1SG Patrick Burke
1SG Patrick Burke
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SGT Edward Wilcox - Did those words come out of Kaepernick's mouth?
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SGT Edward Wilcox
SGT Edward Wilcox
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1SG Patrick Burke - Did they come out of Trump's mouth? No, but that isn't the point, is it?
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1SG Patrick Burke
1SG Patrick Burke
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SGT Edward Wilcox - You are way out in left field. You posted the meme, not me. You have a severe comprehension issue.
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1SG Mike Case
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We always want a person who "protests" to conform to how we want it to happen. Whether or not I agree with how he protests or what he is protesting, I am glad to see a citizen use his right to do so. We took or swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. Do you have to agree with his protest? Nope, not one bit. Can you think the rich guy doesn't know what he is talking about and is totally disconnected from the "real world"? You sure can. But I am glad that my service and the service of everyone of you has allowed this man the ability to do this. Does it rub me the wrong way? Yes it does. Of course people are going to say he did it the wrong way or at the wrong time, but that is his choice. You can protest the 49ers now if you want, but that is the great thing about this country is that you have that right (as does he) to do that very thing. If we as service members and veterans are upset that someone is doing what the Constitution allows him to do, then why did we join and serve our country?
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1SG Patrick Burke
1SG Patrick Burke
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Agree completely, but it is of my opinion that he protested oppression by insinuating that the Flag represents oppression. It does not represent oppression and in the end, when others exercise their rights, like the team cutting him or endorsements getting dropped, the discussion will not be about rights, but about race.
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1SG Mike Case
1SG Mike Case
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Oh I am with you 100 percent. My opinion and 50 cents won't buy a coke but I feel he went about it the wrong way and the message he is saying, but who am I to say that. He may have been thinking about this for two years and decided now was the time. Also, you are absolutely correct. He can suffer in numerous for the way he went about it and I think he will, but that is the risk we take when we make our opinions public especially when it is a big figure in the public eye.
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