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CPO Glenn Moss
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You know, it's amazing how people come up with labels which dance around the issues and mislead people. It's a very real "game" with very big influence.

"Alt-right". The way this term is bandied about, it's prima facie meaning is as an all-inclusive term encompassing the whole of the politically right minded people. But here's the definition:

"alternative right" - "is a loosely defined group of people with far-right ideologies who reject mainstream conservatism in favor of white nationalism, principally in the United States, but also to a lesser degree in Canada and Europe."

Let's be blunt here...what's being done is associating members of the RADICALLY FAR RIGHT with the whole of the politically right minded people. And yes, this type of behavior is also extended to the radically far left in this country as well.

It's much too blunt, and honest, to call those with extremist views what they are. Why? Because that politically segregates them from the rest of the people when you do that and makes leveraging them as a political tool far less effective. Used to be a time when we called white supremacists (*gasp*) "white supremacists" and didn't beat around the bush about it. You knew who they were, you called them on it, and you didn't pretend they were part of this or that political party.

And after going on about "alt-right" and whatnot, the author of this article has the unmitigated gall to say that the POTUS needs to sharply and clearly denounce what it stands for. Evidently this poor excuse for a journalist didn't listen to one word that the President said about this:

"We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides," Trump said during a short statement from his private golf club in New Jersey. "It has been going on for a long time in our country -- not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama. It has been going on for a long, long time. It has no place in America."

How much more clear does the President need to be here? Are this not EXACTLY the things this author want's denounced? The CNN link I copied that from said in the very next paragraph, demonstrating they don't get it, either:

"The President did not mention white nationalists and the alt-right movement in his remarks, and later called for a "study" of the "situation.""

NOW...ON THE SUBJECT OF PROTESTS...

Whether we like them or not, whether we agree with their political, personal, religious ideologies or not, these people have the very same right to protest (peacefully) that everybody else has. When others act in violence, then violence is what you get in return. And the kind of violence this begets is the kind that may spread to other areas in this country.

A long time ago, the KKK organized a march/protest in my home town. You know what happened?

Nothing. Not a single thing. There was dismal attendance, no violence, nothing. Even the newspaper story about it was short and blah. It fizzled like wet fireworks. It was a flat as day old soda sitting in the sun.

Turn such a march/protest into a violent clown show and what have you done? You've lit a fire...and deliberately so. You've given them power. You've given them free advertisement. You have, in fact, done EXACTLY what they wanted.
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I have lots of "unmitigated gall" being an American. I don't mitigate my gall as a matter of principle.

Anyway, why does Trump refuse to denounce the alt-right/white nationalists/nazis?

He still has not done so. They consider him to be on their side. They've been throwing their vocal support behind him since the campaign. Why does he not reject them?
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CPO Glenn Moss
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PO1 John Crafton - You did well to point out the folly of what your neighbor said. He needs to understand that this isn't "kidding" when people go to protests with the full intent to incite violence. We're adults...we need to think and act as adults.
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SGT (Join to see) - Quite frankly, I don't see where he's refused any such thing, except perhaps in name only. The problem doesn't lie just with "the alt-right/white nationalists/Nazis".

Here's what he said in the immediate aftermath:

"We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides," Trump said during a short statement from his private golf club in New Jersey. "It has been going on for a long time in our country -- not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama. It has been going on for a long, long time. It has no place in America."

How much more does he REALLY have to say on this? Quite honestly, if he were to start naming groups who displayed "hatred, bigotry, and violence", that list would be long, indeed. Then there would STILL be people p*ssed off that he named some groups and not others.
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Double post.
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
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So many people marching under two enemy flags.
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Pretty much
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SPC Erich Guenther
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If you trully knew what was going on you would realize this is the work of the KKK. Calling the group ALT+RIGHT does the KKK's work for them and moves the groups more towards legitimacy with the American Public. The groups mounting the legal challenges and organizing these protests are KKK and KKK front groups. Do your homework, it's all over the Internet. Calling them who they are (KKK) alerts the Justice Department and FBI there is a real Civil Rights issue here. Disguising them behind labels such as Alt+Right disquises this incident as just a political disagreement. This event was NOT A POLITICAL DISAGREEMENT, it was a planned CIVIL RIGHTS CONFRONTATION.
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Whose post are you responding to???
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