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MCPO Roger Collins
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These people attempting to erase History are going to keep poking the beehive until there are far more serious repercussions.
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SPC David S.
SPC David S.
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To unravel this thread we need to go way back before the Civil War.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/nov/18/africans-apologise-slave-trade
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SSG Steven Mangus
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Don't we have better things to worry about..erasing our history both good and bad takes away from "us" as a nation and people. Educate people about what these statues represent and maybe we can avoid this school yard bullshit..
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SSG Steven Mangus
SSG Steven Mangus
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It's not about values, it's about the steps we took to get where we are today. Sometimes we have to have a reminder Der when we walked through the cesspool and on the smooth path. We must remember the choices made by those that came before us right or wrong so as not to repeat..
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SSG Robert Webster
SSG Robert Webster
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SSG Steven Mangus Isn't education the problem? And every time that the US government wants to improve education, it becomes worse?
Now to get an entry level job, you almost have to have a college degree in fields that in the past did not even require a HS diploma. And with college graduates that can not read or perform basic math (verified factual evidence), we have a major problem.
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SPC David S.
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I find it ironic how we are tearing down a statue of Lee while at the same time touting the principles of Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson owned hundreds of slaves along with other founding fathers. One in particular was George Washington. While Jefferson and Washington are iconic fixtures in American history they both owned hundreds of slaves.

Highlighting to a double standard

While Washington is revered as an American hero, Lee's legacy as a Confederate General has rallied the masses in efforts to remove and rename places that once bestowed, if not with honor, at least serve as a place marker as a historical figure in our history. What is interesting in all this is that Washington wife's, Martha, was once married to Daniel Parke Custis. Daniel Curtis died in 1757 making Martha a wealthy widow which included a number of plantations and hundreds of slaves. Two years latter George and Martha were married at the 'White House Plantation'. While Martha and George didn't have any children of their own, Martha had four children with Daniel. One of which would bear Martha a Grandson, George Washington Parke Custis. Martha and Washington ended up adopting and raising GW as their son. Prior to Lee taking up residence at Arlington House - which happens to be on the grounds of Arlington National Cemetery - it was built by George Washington Custis via slave labor. To make matters more complicated Robert E Lee married none other than George Washington Custis's daughter - the only surviving child of George Washington Custis - Mary Anna Randolph Custis. She was in fact Lee's third cousin. Mary's mother and Robert E Lee's mother were second cousins. Lee's oldest son, George Washington Custis Lee, was named after Mary's father George Washington Custis. To add some irony Curtis Lee was born at Ft Monroe, VA, the same fort that was used to hold Jefferson Davis after he was captured.

Lee's northern nemesis Grant owned a slave as well.

While I get the reasoning behind many wanting to remove and rename things associated with the Confederacy the roots of slavery and prejudice run much deeper than just the Civil War. The reality is that the fountainhead of bigotry isn't the confederate flag, statues or really anything from our past - its the result of present-day ignorance.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_(plantation)
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SPC David S.
SPC David S.
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Almost forgot to mention Washington as well colluded with a Prussian (Russian) - Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben. He is credited with creating the The Soldier's Blue Book.

http://www.tradoc.army.mil/tpubs/pams/tp600-4.pdf
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SSG Robert Webster
SSG Robert Webster
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SPC David S. - Correction - Prussians were and are German. The Duchy of Prussia was only a small part of Prussia, and most of those people would be considered Polish or Lithuanian today.
von Steuben was born and primarily raised in Magdeburg in the Duchy of Magdeburg and is situated on the Elbe River in what is now the state of Saxony-Anhalt, Germany.
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SPC David S.
SPC David S.
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Correct SSG Robert Webster - just thought I'd mention Russia as we are currently transfixed on the current POTUS with some claiming inclusion.
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CWO2 Richard Rose
CWO2 Richard Rose
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I must disagree with the MSG concerning Robert E. Lee being a traitor. Please cite your source in the United States Constitution where States could not secede from the union? Additionally, veterans of the Confederacy were declared veterans of the United States and given the same benefits of the Union.

There is a lot of evidence contrary to the history as determined by the winner. Lincoln was not the wonderful guy history has painted of him.
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