Posted on Feb 20, 2018
After FL School Shooting, Is The Second Amendment Worth Dying For?
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There is a process to change the constitution. I wish people protesting gun ownershi and government officials advocating gun control would be honest and put forth an honest effort to change or abolish the second amendment. Then we can have a honest no holds barred national debate and resolution. The best ideas win. That is why the founding fathers had a press tied exclusively to to support of a political party. ( just kidding) Instead the politicians sneak around and wait for tradgedy to exploit the anxious, The hurting, and the traumatized.
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LTC David Brown
SN Ron Jett - when they pass restrictions on weapons they infringe on rights. My point is more st Americans WILL NOT support changing the constitution and THEY KNOW IT. That is why they nibble at destroying the foundation!
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CDR (Join to see)
Actually we as Americans are just fine with changing the constitution. We have done it 18 times in fact. From the original bill of rights all the way up to the 27th Amendment. Each of those changes were for a very good reason except the 18th Amendment. They were also not taken lightly. There may come a time when a large majority of Americans feel that the 2nd Amendment needs to change or be eliminated or there might not be. Tough to tell.
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LTC David Brown I agree. Unfornately I think both sides are truly afraid to do that as both see it as a zero sum game and assume they will lose everything if the debate does not go their way. Sadly I think debating and working to a solution that both sides can agree on might be to difficult right now.
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Seems to me that the author stated it quite well. Too many people want to point to the Federalist Papers as supporting arguments for the 2nd Amendment, and it is painfully clear that they should be pointing to The Declaration of Independence. In this line of reasoning, the courts up to and to include the Supreme Court need to recognize and support their decisions in this area not only on the Constitution (which is the basis of their power), but on the Declaration of Independence.
"What’s the American Idea Worth?"
"Here it must be said that the Second Amendment was not meant to safeguard the right to hunt deer or shoot clay pigeons, or even protect your home and family from an intruder. The right to bear arms stems from the right of revolution, which is asserted in the Declaration of Independence and forms the basis of America’s social compact. Our republic was forged in revolution, and the American people have always retained the right to overthrow their government if it becomes tyrannical. That doesn’t mean that private militias should have tanks and missile launchers, but it does mean that revolution—the right of first principles—undergirds our entire political system."
From the US Declaration of Independence:
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
"What’s the American Idea Worth?"
"Here it must be said that the Second Amendment was not meant to safeguard the right to hunt deer or shoot clay pigeons, or even protect your home and family from an intruder. The right to bear arms stems from the right of revolution, which is asserted in the Declaration of Independence and forms the basis of America’s social compact. Our republic was forged in revolution, and the American people have always retained the right to overthrow their government if it becomes tyrannical. That doesn’t mean that private militias should have tanks and missile launchers, but it does mean that revolution—the right of first principles—undergirds our entire political system."
From the US Declaration of Independence:
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
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"The New York Times’ Bret Stephens, for one, is at least willing to be honest about the thing. Back in October, he wrote a column calling for repealing the Second Amendment. There’s of course much to criticize in Stephens’ argument, beginning with his cherry-picked statistics that fail to explain how, despite a recent surge, the murder rate, and violent crime in general, has been plummeting since the 1990s even as gun ownership has steadily increased."
Sounds just like some of the anti-gun activist right here on RP. This also sounds a whole lot like one activist that has been busy spamming RP with articles and opinion pieces in this vein.
Sounds just like some of the anti-gun activist right here on RP. This also sounds a whole lot like one activist that has been busy spamming RP with articles and opinion pieces in this vein.
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SSgt Christopher Brose
I would have a whole lot more respect for anti-gunners if that was actually the discussion they wanted to have. They're wrong of course, but at least I would know that they have enough respect for the Constitution to approach the issue in a Constitutionally correct manner.
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CDR (Join to see)
Opposing view points are not spam. If they were then quite a few people would call the very zealous pro 2nd Amendment and progun lobby as having spammed here quite a bit as well.
Opposing view points foster spirited debate. Heaven forbid that we should think alike or worse still be forced like those bastions of freedom such as North Korea, Iran, Russia, China and every other tin plate dictatorship around the world.
I have no problem with changing the constitution when it is warranted and working within the constitution when change is not warranted. That is the beauty of the Constituiton, that it allows you to change it and work within it as necessary.
Opposing view points foster spirited debate. Heaven forbid that we should think alike or worse still be forced like those bastions of freedom such as North Korea, Iran, Russia, China and every other tin plate dictatorship around the world.
I have no problem with changing the constitution when it is warranted and working within the constitution when change is not warranted. That is the beauty of the Constituiton, that it allows you to change it and work within it as necessary.
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