Posted on Sep 11, 2018
UCMJ crackdown: Why Mattis thinks commanders have gone soft on misconduct
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Admin Discharges Vs UCMJ processing?
SecDef Mattis has questioned whether administrative discharges are being used in place of UCMJ measures as a more expeditious and "easier" method of resolving conduct violations One of the repercussions of the Vietnam war was an increased incident of both measures to "weed out" those persons who represented a greater threat to good order and discipline in a peacetime environment. Would like to hear the opinion of some of our active duty members.
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SecDef Mattis has questioned whether administrative discharges are being used in place of UCMJ measures as a more expeditious and "easier" method of resolving conduct violations One of the repercussions of the Vietnam war was an increased incident of both measures to "weed out" those persons who represented a greater threat to good order and discipline in a peacetime environment. Would like to hear the opinion of some of our active duty members.
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UCMJ crackdown: Why Mattis thinks commanders have gone soft on misconduct
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I can speak only to Army regs: Administrative discharge proceeding (Chapters) are often required for a event, or crime. UCMJ is not.
What I hope SecDef is being briefed on, and understands is the corrosive nature many of these individuals have on the unit, the time wasted on them, the resources used on them vice the rest of the unit... Separating the SM who is a problem child in the most expeditious manner is often times the better path , and directly linked to a better trained, more ready unit.
So yes, DUI, GOMAR, and chapter...Drug use, no dealing, or trafficking.. Quick company or field grade Art 15 and Chapter.
ect ect.
And then there is, Well yes he beat his spouse, there is enough evidence to do a ART 15 and start chapter proceedings perhaps under 14-6 but in order to use the lautenberg amendment as justification, we need him to beat her again and get General CM conviction ....Do we wait for that or give him the FG Art 15 and separate now?
What I hope SecDef is being briefed on, and understands is the corrosive nature many of these individuals have on the unit, the time wasted on them, the resources used on them vice the rest of the unit... Separating the SM who is a problem child in the most expeditious manner is often times the better path , and directly linked to a better trained, more ready unit.
So yes, DUI, GOMAR, and chapter...Drug use, no dealing, or trafficking.. Quick company or field grade Art 15 and Chapter.
ect ect.
And then there is, Well yes he beat his spouse, there is enough evidence to do a ART 15 and start chapter proceedings perhaps under 14-6 but in order to use the lautenberg amendment as justification, we need him to beat her again and get General CM conviction ....Do we wait for that or give him the FG Art 15 and separate now?
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1stSgt Eugene Harless
Mattis was my Regimental commander and he would personally interview every Marine getting ad-seped. Of course by the time they got to him they had already been reduced to E-1 fined and given restriction and extra duty on multiple occasions. All of that paled in comparison to having Mad Dog take a piece out of their ass on the way out.
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LtCol Robert Quinter
LTC Jason Mackay - Although Mattis is a few years younger than I, my experience with Admin separations at the unit and review level was that the reviewing officer and the discharge authority wanted to see that appropriate non-judicial or Summary Court actions had been accomplished in an effort to rehabilitate the dirtbag. Thankfully, one experience with me at an article 15 was generally enough to keep my 1600+ charges in line. We always considered putting the discharge package together and appearing at the board to be a pain and mostly handled the problem at the ubit level. Understand your commentary on the civilian charges, but most of the people who got in trouble in the ville had already built themselves a military record that allowed us to process him out before the civilians
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SGM Erik Marquez
Interesting to note, I read another article today in reference to the vary same SECDEF discussion.
The 2nd article was implying SECDEF was saying the issue is lack of discipline and UCMJ over all, not that commanders were using ADMIN SEP instead of UCMJ.
The 2nd article was implying SECDEF was saying the issue is lack of discipline and UCMJ over all, not that commanders were using ADMIN SEP instead of UCMJ.
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I think that this is definitely an issue. Over the course of my rather short career, I personally walked numerous soldiers through the chapter process just to get them out of the army as quickly as possible. Some of these soldiers were kicked for things as simple as APFT failure but others for charges far worse, from multiple DUIs to drug use and drug dealing. Now, not all of them were bad people, and many of them have become very successful after straitening out their lives after service; I am, in fact, friendly with many of the very soldiers that I walked out the gates on their last days as soldiers, but I must base my thoughts on the whole picture and not what I know now in the future. Many soldiers should receive actual UCMJ punishment. By separating them under administrative actions, having only been punished via article 15 measures, they go out into the civilian world having committed grave offenses without the record to ensure that the correct actions will be taken against them in the future if they decide to do wrong yet again. I am not for locking everyone up in Leavenworth but there needs to be the correct application of rule of law inside the military and that means dropping the UCMJ on those who decide to do the wrong things.
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