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SSgt Joseph Baptist - Since you still have me blocked I can't tag you in a response you directed at me...

I never said I DON'T KNOW WHAT DID OR DIDN'T HAPPEN THAT NIGHT! Please show me where I said he probably sexually assaulted me? I never said that. I said I can't remember but I don't know because of the gap in my memory that I still haven't retained almost 10 years later. BUT I do know that for the entire 4 1/2 years I was in that unit he tried to get in my pants - even though he was married most of the time -and he continually turned me down. Couple that with the time in Iraq when he asked me if he could come in on night shift when I worked to do his fingerprints for a clearance packet I said sure. He said he only trusted me to get it right. He came in and while I'm trying to do his fingerprints, he starts to bump his groin against my rear. I stop and tell him to stop doing that. He laughs and he does it again. I said stop doing that. He laughs and he does it again - and I turn to him and say "If you don't stop doing that I'll get the S3 guys who are right on the other side of that wall to come in here." He gets offended with ME and says "I was just joking." That's not a joke. That's not funny and I guarantee none of my male coworkers EVER dealt with that in that unit.

So I can think that maybe he did something to me when I blacked out but I can't prove it which is why I never reported anything. Are you so dense that you can't read English? Or are you so against anything I post that you just see my name and ignore what I write? Again I never reported it BECAUSE I didn't have any proof and therefore knew what would happen and IF I had proof, I probably wouldn't have because I saw what happened to OTHER females who did report. This was before SHARP when EO handled sexual assault. I was the alternate BN EO and company EO - and remember when the BN EO had a case where the same female soldier had made at least two reports during the second deployment and all I heard people do in the unit was talk shit and say "oh maybe she shouldn't have been alone on the bus" or "Oh she is just making it up - she's kind of a slut." FFS I even somehow had rumors about me screwing these guys in one company because I hung out with them - because heterosexual males and females can never just be friends. We just can't control our raging hormones I guess (eye roll). So I used sarcasm to deflect that bs.

So there you go there are the details of that "friend" who may or may not have taken advantage of me at my weakest moment. You say I'm part of the problem - no YOU are part of the problem. Every damn post on this topic you react the same and it's people like you who cause toxic environments for people not to report. Thank goodness you are no longer in the military.

Also - Baptis - in reply to the following post

"are you saying SFC Fuerhoff has to go into graphic detail in order to be believed?"
No, I am not. And I really don't know how far up your ass you had to reach to get that ridiculous and unsupported idea - but you dure spend a lot of time up there. But thanks for not only bringing your own interpretation to my words, but adding a whole bunch of stuff that just isn't there. --- That is pretty much what you implied that you said I was making up a rape accusation when I blacked out. Which I didn't. Ever. I provided you with the details though. You sure spend a lot of time up YOUR ass though.

"If she had no reason to believe even remotely that something happened, she wouldn't be airing suppositions." She described a non-event, where her claim to abuse is based solely on the fact that she drank too much and blacked out when a guy was around, but she seems to think that just because she put herself into a position where something bad could have happened, it must have - in her words: "He probably took advantage of me when I got black out drunk with him (not on purpose and wasn't my plan) but I don't know. I can't prove anything. He claims nothing happened but that was 2009 and I still don't remember anything between blacking out and waking up puking." ---- I did not describe a "non-event' in ANY case that I described. Ata ll. I didn't put myself in any position. This was someone I thought I could trust. I was there as a friend because he said he was going through a divorce and needed someone to talk to. I didn't know his plan was to get me drunk - and the last thing I remember is I was saying this is my last one and he filled it as full as he could. I said he probably did but I don't know!!! I did not plan to get drunk. I was trying to be helpful and listen to someone who claimed to be in need. But of course you're the kind of person to turn it around on me. Why wouldn't you? I gave you background on why I thought he could have tried something. Go read it.

Read her words. Now read them again. Put your finger ont he part where she gives any indication that something sexual happened - whether consensual or nonconsensual.

Would it be "graphic detail" for her to say "there was evidence that we had had sex" if that was what had happened? No, that would be a pretty tame way to put it. --- I gave you more details. But you ignore where I said why I didn't report.

You and your similarly reading comporehension challeneged friend, SSG Bautista are unhappy with me for pointing out that Fuerhoff, who presents herself as an expert in these matters, is making a claim that she was sexually assaulted, based on, according to her own words, not knowing that she wasn't. That's not even up to the "he said - she said" standard, that is an presumption of guilt for a guy without any evidence of anything (criminal or not) even happening. And that is a huge problem, because bullshit like that adds to the number of false claims, which undermines the credibility of actual victims. --- YOU are the one who is "reading comprehension challenged." I NEVER SAID I AM AN EXPERT!! Stop putting words in my mouth you incorrigible prick. I said that I have experience with sexual assault as a SARC and my own experiences with it.

What part of I DIDN'T REPORT BECAUSE I BLACKED OUT AND HAD NO EVIDENCE DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?! JFC you are the most ignorant person I have ever communicated with in my life. I never ever accused him to CID or to EO or anyone of anything. I fully admit I don't know if anything happened but that SOMETHING could have happened based on the way he acted toward me in the past before that. Hell he even got mad that in garrison I hooked up with one of his SINGLE friends! Why did he get mad? Because I never gave him a chance because I don't screw married guys - and he said "Well I have always wanted to know what it's like to sleep with a white girl and you seem clean." I blocked him on yahoo chat after that - and I should have after the incident of groping me but I didn't. I should have never let him come to my barracks room after that but he apologized and seemed sincere. But he wasn't. In hindsight of what I can remember, flags were there. But I' then was a good hearted person who helps out people even when they fuck me over. Not anymore though.

Hopefully you can overcome your reading comprehension issue in this. Probably not. It's hard to hear or read with your head so far up your own ass.

You certainly sound like one. But don't sell yourself short. You've already sunk to incredible levels of incivility.

MSgt Dale Johnson you nailed it.

MSG (Join to see) - I appreciate a viewpoint from someone with actual expertise. I'd like to remind you that "he's such a good guy" isn't an uncommon defense, but it's irrelevant. My first husband was the "greatest guy" after he attempted to kill me. I called the MPs, I was screaming bloody murder, but no one believed me. Years later, I'm still batting down his allegation that I left him for another man. Call me bitter or overly critical, but I'm going to wait until we hear from Prof Ford.

SSG Jessica Bautista -
As I have said previously, I don't doubt that something happened to Ford. The fact that she does not know where it occurred, when it occurred, the length of time (35 years), and more is telling.
Keep in mind as well that we are setting a new standard here for anyone in politics and possibly future jobs. In this hearing, we are now saying that what you did as a minor will follow you for the rest of your life. Think of that. Not what you did as an adult. Not what you did in you job. How many teens every year get drunk and make a sexual pass or even a clumsy assault that did not result in sex. I am not forgiving the act, I am pointing out facts. I think everyone did something when they were a teen that they regretted. During my High School years, I had 2 separate girls try to have sex with me without my initiating it and against my desires. Should that result in a permanent black mark on their life? Is there no redemption by being a good husband/wife, father/mother, community leader for decades?
With that said, it does not mean that Kavanaugh was the one who did it, regardless of what Ford says. Ford may be very believable in her testimony, she may believe what she is saying is true, and it can still be wrong and unproveable since the only ones who actually know what occurred were the people in that room.
With all the #metoo, I BELIEVE HER, and more, no one to date has asked hard questions of Ford. Why was a 15 year old girl attending parties inside homes where alcohol seemed to be the norm. No one to date has questioned why she would have been attending so many of them that she does not remember the details. No one has asked if she was drinking or taking drugs. This wouldn't excuse the assault, but it would answer why she has holes in her memory.
No one seems to want to know the truth of how this occurred and why, they just want to find an excuse to make points with the voters and vote against Kavanaugh.

MSG (Join to see) - Every single SCOTUS nominee gets their entire life scoured when in the nomination process. It happened with Obama's pick too. And the White House lawyers scour (or should be) through the picks' entire lives to make sure nothing damaging can come up. This was missed by anyone because it was something that was never reported.

I think everyone is forgetting what happened in 2016 with Merrick Garland. Before Obama even named Garland or mentioned any picks, and hours after Scalia died, Mitch McConnell said that any appointment by Obama would be "null and void." He and other Republicans said the next SCOTUS justice should be picked by the next President because they didn't want a Democratic President to replace a conservative judge with someone moderate.

Both sides are playing games with people's lives and it's pretty sad and disgusting.

SFC (Join to see)
I agree it is sad and disgusting, but Trump has another 2 to 6 years to go. He isn't a lame duck President.
Democrats may be angry and frustrated, but that doesn't mean they get to pick the supreme court and lower judges when they are not the party in power. Obama said elections have consequences. They do.
I think what many Democrats are missing in regards to Garland is regardless if he had been given a hearing, he didn't have the votes. He needed 60 and the GOP had the majority. The GOP did not have a responsibility to vote for him any more than the Democrats had to vote for Gorsuch last year.
I know that Democrats want to sink Kavanaugh's confirmation, but this is going into new territory.
Now we are saying allegations from High School are enough to stop someone from a career. Not allegations of rape, but allegations of a drunk kid who made an attempt.
That isn't meant to excuse it, but to state it is very common. It isn't just males, females have done bad things in high school too.
I predict that if this becomes the norm, many of those cheering it on now will be dead set against using it in the future.

SFC (Join to see) - There were no accusations or stalling tactics against Gorsuch because the Democrats were keeping count and decided he had a pass since he did not represent a swing vote, instead in the Democrats mind he was a restoration of right vs left decision making. They are raising all this hell and stalling Cavanaugh because the Democrats feel he will tilt the court in favor of the right. How on earth the Democrats have those extensive psychic powers to predict that he will never change his opinions and what he will rule in the future........still unknown. His rulings in the past have changed over time and he even stated in his confirmation hearings his views on Roe vs Wade changed over time........fell on deaf ears.
Lets say he never changes his opinions, what about other members of the court changing theirs over time which has happened repeatedly in the past changing the balance (but no political party could intervene). Did the country fall apart or go to hell in a hand basket?
Nope. Democratic base pushing the Democratic Party says this nomination cannot go through not because he is unqualified on a judicial basis but because he is unqualified on a idealogical basis. This whole thing is a circus and will achieve absolutely nothing in the end but destroy peoples reputations and defile the alleged victim in the public's eyes. Nothing positive is going to come out of it for either side. We are going through it because a few on the left view Supreme Court appointments as a score card on who is winning control of our society. The reality is nothing they have done in the past from Robert Bork to Anita Hill has advanced their cause one bit but it has caused a lot of collateral damage with peoples reputations, confidence in our government to perform, and the ability of left vs right to compromise on other issues. Second FBI background investigation after Anita Hill resulted in a large delay but changed no facts. Precisely why they do not want to repeat the waste of time here.

SFC (Join to see) -
A reoccurring issue with both women now, Ford and Ramirez. They cite an incident and name people who were supposedly there. In both cases, none of the people named remembers the incident, or in Ford's case, the location. Both women claim to have foggy memories, don't remember details, and didn't tell anyone about it.
Both are represented by attorneys associated with Democrat politicians. Both approached the news media and gave interviews.
In Ramirez's case, her friends from college debunk the story saying they shared details all the time and that Ramirez would have told everyone if it occurred.
I don't know if Ford is telling the truth or not. She has been a Psychologist for a long time, wrote books, and given seminars. She wouldn't be the first professional to put her career and family on the line for a political cause. She wouldn't even be the first woman who has lied about a case that became high profile (Duke Lacrosse; A Rape on Campus-Rolling Stones). Some estimates of false rape claims are 2-10%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape
As for when you were beat, I am sorry that happened to you. I don't know where or when it occurred, but in my State, if someone is accused of domestic battery and there is even the slightest bit of evidence, an arrest has to be made. This has been the law for over 20 years in Florida.
As for Kavanaugh, there is no proof or even substaniated testimony that he has ever assaulted a woman or done anything wrong. All there is so far, is an unsubstantiated allegation of an assault while a minor. The second claim appears to be a false and clumsy attempt at a #METOO

SPC Erich Guenther equality has existed for at least 40 years for most groups of people. People these days that scream about equality don’t want to be treated equally, they want to be treated in a manner that puts them on a pedestal above everyone else.

SFC (Join to see) - False accusations are very common. In my 31 year law enforcement career, I investigated or supervised the investigation of many sex crimes. My experience is that nearly 50% of allegations were proven false. I recently spoke to several retired sex crime investigators who investigated both juvenile and adult sex crimes. They all agreed with my numbers, one juvenile sex crime Investgator said he had a 90 % false reporting level. There was a recent book out that said on the national level, the rate of false reports is roughly 40%.

To say that people don’t lie about sex crimes is completely false.