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Has it outlived its usefulness or do we just have the wrong membership?
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PO3 Donald Murphy
We worked towards tearing down the Berlin Wall, but never planned for that actually happening. We also ignored thousands of years of European military conflict and were completely blindsided by the European Union. Which we technically shouldn't have been, considering that we witnessed the European Common Market in 1973. People that have never had money before, now have checkbooks. Money is more important to them than defense. Granted, financial war has its own rules and regs and Europe is dancing its own dance in that perspective. But the days of the huge air shows and maneuvers are over.
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The formation of NATO had three very real goals, both public and private.
1. Defend a set core of nations from Communism.
2. Establish America as the de-facto peacekeeper in the area.
3. Disestablish the failed League Of Nations and replace it with something more American-centric and notably, American funded.
So how'd we do?
Well, when you start sleeping with Communism in any of its forms, you suddenly lose all credibility. Especially when you are an upstart young nation and you are trying to "counsel", "admonish" nations much older than yourself. So as it's okay to support Communism, buy from Communism (China), trade with Communism, etc, then again, your credibility is part of the problem.
Was the LON really *ALL* that bad? Not technically really. It failed from basically the same thing that NATO dissenters complain of now: lack of consistency. We'll drop everything to whip Russia into shape over their civil war, but we'll allow Hitler to start ethnic cleansing. Case in point America? Axis of evil. Included Syria, didn't it? So how come we're suddenly helping Syria, aiding Syria, etc? The Asad family is still in power. The same family that prompted America to brand them one of the members of the axis of evil, right? Again - lack of consistency.
Ike himself - both as general and president - warned of the MIC (military industrial complex). He warned that an MIC would feed itself by creating crisis after crisis with which to fund itself. America grew used to having bottomless pockets. No one foresaw the ending of the Cold War. No one really wanted it to end. When it did, the MIC found itself in dire straights. The MIC suddenly needed to regain the momentum. Hence, Desert Storm, War on Terror, etc. But it does indeed beg the question: what happens when Russia - *COMMUNISM* - is now your friend?
Ooops.
NATO and indeed the MIC, did not foresee Germany and Russia (traditional enemies) becoming not only friendly, but integral to Europe itself. It gets in the American craw that Merkel and Putin are the true marriage-made-in-heaven in Europe. While liberal/socialism haters will wax poetic about "failure this/failure that", the simplistic truth is that Hitler and Stalin's dreams of one Europe under their control has come true. This is why Greece, Ireland, Portugal, et al, complained about fee increases "that we won't pay" and then turned right around and... *PAID THEM* Kind of important when the bank (Germany) also controls your heating gas.
So where does that leave Team America (F**k YEAH!)? Well, in addition to the Donald pointing out that NATO doesn't pay its fair share, it has also been pointed out that there is nothing stopping America from leaving. "Come on America...go on big boy...go on and leave...!" Won't do it, will we? Know why? Cuz we use NATO bases to fund/position our Middle East and other world field trips. Those bases in Italy mean more to USA than they do to NATO. Were we not to have them, we'd have to build a much bigger Navy which befits a nation that is the world's policeman. And the fickle tax-payer voter - which can barely vote on important shit like - I don't know - healthy drinking water in Michigan - just won't do.
So happy birthday NATO. Drinking a beer in your honor.
1. Defend a set core of nations from Communism.
2. Establish America as the de-facto peacekeeper in the area.
3. Disestablish the failed League Of Nations and replace it with something more American-centric and notably, American funded.
So how'd we do?
Well, when you start sleeping with Communism in any of its forms, you suddenly lose all credibility. Especially when you are an upstart young nation and you are trying to "counsel", "admonish" nations much older than yourself. So as it's okay to support Communism, buy from Communism (China), trade with Communism, etc, then again, your credibility is part of the problem.
Was the LON really *ALL* that bad? Not technically really. It failed from basically the same thing that NATO dissenters complain of now: lack of consistency. We'll drop everything to whip Russia into shape over their civil war, but we'll allow Hitler to start ethnic cleansing. Case in point America? Axis of evil. Included Syria, didn't it? So how come we're suddenly helping Syria, aiding Syria, etc? The Asad family is still in power. The same family that prompted America to brand them one of the members of the axis of evil, right? Again - lack of consistency.
Ike himself - both as general and president - warned of the MIC (military industrial complex). He warned that an MIC would feed itself by creating crisis after crisis with which to fund itself. America grew used to having bottomless pockets. No one foresaw the ending of the Cold War. No one really wanted it to end. When it did, the MIC found itself in dire straights. The MIC suddenly needed to regain the momentum. Hence, Desert Storm, War on Terror, etc. But it does indeed beg the question: what happens when Russia - *COMMUNISM* - is now your friend?
Ooops.
NATO and indeed the MIC, did not foresee Germany and Russia (traditional enemies) becoming not only friendly, but integral to Europe itself. It gets in the American craw that Merkel and Putin are the true marriage-made-in-heaven in Europe. While liberal/socialism haters will wax poetic about "failure this/failure that", the simplistic truth is that Hitler and Stalin's dreams of one Europe under their control has come true. This is why Greece, Ireland, Portugal, et al, complained about fee increases "that we won't pay" and then turned right around and... *PAID THEM* Kind of important when the bank (Germany) also controls your heating gas.
So where does that leave Team America (F**k YEAH!)? Well, in addition to the Donald pointing out that NATO doesn't pay its fair share, it has also been pointed out that there is nothing stopping America from leaving. "Come on America...go on big boy...go on and leave...!" Won't do it, will we? Know why? Cuz we use NATO bases to fund/position our Middle East and other world field trips. Those bases in Italy mean more to USA than they do to NATO. Were we not to have them, we'd have to build a much bigger Navy which befits a nation that is the world's policeman. And the fickle tax-payer voter - which can barely vote on important shit like - I don't know - healthy drinking water in Michigan - just won't do.
So happy birthday NATO. Drinking a beer in your honor.
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