Spells and Magic Objects in the Bible | Remedial Bible Lesson 11

That is how I feel with the creation argument. All very weak arguments for a creator.

1SG (Join to see) - Good to know...

1SG (Join to see) - especially since either one of the two accounts in Genesis are not possible.

MAJ (Join to see) - first, it's not life until it is born, or at the most, viable when separated from the womb. Until that happens, there is no way that it be claimed to be a "living person" because it cannot maintain itself on its own.

Second, as I've stated many times, the fetus has no right to use the mother's body without the consent of the mother.

Finally, I've stated and restated these two positions and you have continually ignored that because you would rather be dishonest about what is and what is not murder. On every other subject we've talked about, you fall back to the Bible for guidance. Except for this. Why is that?

Capt Gregory Prickett I think that's the first time you've said the part about it not being a life until it's born. If not, I missed it. But that's fine, we can start there. What do you use to support that idea? A baby can't maintain itself after it's born either. So what exactly happens in the birth canal that turns non-life into life?

Yes, you've mentioned the part about the baby not having rights to the mothers womb. You just haven't supported the idea with anything. Just saying it over and over doesn't make it so.

The Bible condemns murder and it also confirms life starting before birth. But with the science backing life starting in the womb, there's no need to quote scripture to you. The Bible guides me, yes. But I don't quote it when arguing against the designated hitter either.

MAJ (Join to see) - oh please, none of the passages normally cited by the anti-women crowd state that life begins before birth. On the contrary, the Bible says that life doesn't start until after birth, when god “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being” (Gen. 2:7, NIV). This is also stated in Job and Ezekiel. In 1973, even the former President of the Southern Baptist Convention, W.A. Criswell, said “I have always felt that it was only after a child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became an individual person, and it has always, therefore, seemed to me that what is best for the mother and for the future should be allowed."

The Bible also specifically states that causing a woman to lose a baby (i.e., miscarriage or abortion) is punishable by a fine only, paid to the father. Murder is punishable by the death of the murderer.

As to science? It also states when the fetus becomes viable, able to live outside of the womb.

Your position is more recent than the Happy Meal, developed by evangelical fundamentalists only after your colleges were about to lose federal tax-exempt status due to racist policies.

Capt Gregory Prickett - 1. Adam wasn't born so he couldn't have been aborted so that example has nothing to do with this.

Can you cite the verses you're referencing?

Science states that? Where?