Posted on Nov 23, 2019
Are the Navy’s admirals forcing a crisis in traditional civil-military affairs?
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CMSgt (Join to see) Everyone seems to be ignoring the fact that the Chief was only convicted of taking a photo with a body,he was acquitted of all other charges . Why is he the only one being accused of not meeting the standards?
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Yet the panel of his peers found him guilty on the sole charge of posing alongside a dead Islamic State prisoner of war’s body, a charge he never denied.
At least a dozen other SEALs, including a commissioned officer, also appeared in images next to the body, but they were never charged with the crime.
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Yet the panel of his peers found him guilty on the sole charge of posing alongside a dead Islamic State prisoner of war’s body, a charge he never denied.
At least a dozen other SEALs, including a commissioned officer, also appeared in images next to the body, but they were never charged with the crime.
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One can also ask “Is the White House forcing a crisis in traditional civil-military affairs?” The multiple interventions by Trump Admin into UCMJ affairs of our military is not traditional in how he has politicized more than before.
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MAJ James Woods
MSG (Anonymous) I assume you’ve seen the latest as of 25 Nov. Gallagher was going to voluntarily give up his Trident; no wait, SecNav resigned and Trump’s Twitter order stands; no wait, Trump tweeted the decision will be left to military leaders; no wait...ummm.
There’s been a lot of confusion on who’s calling the shots; SecNav, SecDef, POTUS, Twitter, who knows.
There’s been a lot of confusion on who’s calling the shots; SecNav, SecDef, POTUS, Twitter, who knows.
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You mean the traditional civil military affairs where you disobey a directive of the CIC and get fired for your effort? No, I think that is exactly as it should be. And that is my guess about what will happen if they try to force their directives instead of the CIC.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
MSgt Steve Sweeney - Commanders at all levels have substantial leeway to override the decisions of those beneath them. In this case, the Pardon was for something that he thought as an injustice to be corrected. The President is CIC, if they didn't teach you that in the Marine Corp, so he has every right to "get into Internal matters", just as the Commandant of the Marine Corp could intervene in a Company matter if he felt it was justified. The Navy decided to push punishment after the pardon and they lost that battle and the Navy Joint Chief needs to find a new job (some other reasons too, a number of scandals and "training" issues). It didn't take a F**king genius to understand the CIC's intent and you just saw the President slap down Subordinate that didn't follow instructions.
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MSgt Steve Sweeney
CPT Lawrence Cable - There is such a thing called "unlawful command influence", especially relative to military legal proceedings. Trump's continued interceding into matters far below his pay grade are a continuation of that. Perhaps this sort of micromanagement is what you consider leadership. Now would be a good time for Donald to feel his bone spurs and se his way out.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
MSgt Steve Sweeney - Unlawful command influence means that his intervention effected the outcome of a court martial in the Governments favor, not that he overrode the decision of the court martial, which is entirely in his power to do so. It's actually in the power of the Admirals in the Chain of Command too. You may not agree with the decision to Pardon, but he's still the boss. If one of my subordinates had of tried to go around one of my decisions, I would have had a serious and very load talk with them about the chain of command, their moral and ethical shortcomings and what I would do if they tried that crap again.
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MSgt Steve Sweeney
CPT Lawrence Cable - Well, I am sure you felt the same way when Obama commuted Manning's sentence... Fair enough.
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