Posted on Jun 7, 2020
Minneapolis City Council Members Announce Intent To Disband The Police Department, Invest In...
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"These people have gone mad." That's probably exactly what those council members are thinking about those police officers...after watching one of them sit there choking to death a restrained, unarmed citizen for 8+ minutes, in broad daylight, with other police helping and/or standing guard while he does it. Obviously training and body cams aren't doing the trick. Maybe trying something more radical will.
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LTC Kevin B. - With all due respect, Minneapolis is NOT one of the most dangerous cities in America. It does not register as such as measured by any significant metric. But thank you for your perspective as a non-resident. If you want to find a real dangerous city, I suggest you look at New Orleans, or Chicago, or Detroit.
Until two weeks ago, Minneapolis was a pretty great place to live.
As for specifics for what is being proposed, it is easy enough to read. It is precisely what the more radical elements of BLM have been advocating for during the past several years. "Disband the police department" means exactly that - it goes away.
They would "replace" it with a community-based neighborhood watch of sorts (they themselves don't really define it all that well... probably because they never really thought it would happen) and actual police work would be assumed by the Hennepin County Sheriff's Department. The obvious issues with that are irrelevant; the goal is to eliminate the regular patrolling that the MPD does so they can eliminate harassment such as interrupting drug sales and traffic stops and the like.
There are some valid points being made, but right now the liberals in the city council (or clowncil, as we call them here) is tripping over themselves to placate a constituentcy that demands certain things, or else, and through virtue signaling, try to tamp down anger while negotiating a real policy out of the public eye.
This is a smokescreen. But worse, they might just vote on it in a show vote.
They might just try and implement this.
But kissing the ring of radicals is NEVER good governance. And it never works. They will turn on them, then demand more.
Further, the notion that any money saved (never mind the ransom they will have to pay the Sheriff's Dept) will be some kind of windfall for the community is laughable. The wealthy precincts of the city simply won't stand for it.
Until two weeks ago, Minneapolis was a pretty great place to live.
As for specifics for what is being proposed, it is easy enough to read. It is precisely what the more radical elements of BLM have been advocating for during the past several years. "Disband the police department" means exactly that - it goes away.
They would "replace" it with a community-based neighborhood watch of sorts (they themselves don't really define it all that well... probably because they never really thought it would happen) and actual police work would be assumed by the Hennepin County Sheriff's Department. The obvious issues with that are irrelevant; the goal is to eliminate the regular patrolling that the MPD does so they can eliminate harassment such as interrupting drug sales and traffic stops and the like.
There are some valid points being made, but right now the liberals in the city council (or clowncil, as we call them here) is tripping over themselves to placate a constituentcy that demands certain things, or else, and through virtue signaling, try to tamp down anger while negotiating a real policy out of the public eye.
This is a smokescreen. But worse, they might just vote on it in a show vote.
They might just try and implement this.
But kissing the ring of radicals is NEVER good governance. And it never works. They will turn on them, then demand more.
Further, the notion that any money saved (never mind the ransom they will have to pay the Sheriff's Dept) will be some kind of windfall for the community is laughable. The wealthy precincts of the city simply won't stand for it.
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LTC Kevin B.
1SG (Join to see) - Maybe it's just me, but a violent crime rate that is three times the national average doesn't sound like Mayberry to me. Maybe it's in how "Minneapolis" is defined for the crime rate calculation (the city versus the larger metropolitan area). The St. Louis residents make that same argument every year. So does Chicago. Regardless, if someone is arguing the methodology, that's not the best place to be.
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LTC Kevin B. - How does one calculate "national average"? Is it rate of violent crime divided by 300 million residents. Well then yes, Minneapolis will be much more than average, because of population density. Mayberry can be effectively policed by Barney and Andy.
But if you compare rates in medium to large cities, I would happily compare and contrast with any similar city. Let's just take NFL cities as a guide. Which are lower than Minneapolis?
Tampa, Jacksonville, Charlotte, Denver, Nashville, Green Bay, KC. That's about it. (I didn't look it up, but I'll bet we are well south of Chicago, New York, Cleveland, Detroit, Oakland, LA, NO...)
I think we were all stunned that the chaos sprung up here vs somewhere else like Atlanta after Arbury. Similar things have happened, and there were protests, but nothing like this.
But if you compare rates in medium to large cities, I would happily compare and contrast with any similar city. Let's just take NFL cities as a guide. Which are lower than Minneapolis?
Tampa, Jacksonville, Charlotte, Denver, Nashville, Green Bay, KC. That's about it. (I didn't look it up, but I'll bet we are well south of Chicago, New York, Cleveland, Detroit, Oakland, LA, NO...)
I think we were all stunned that the chaos sprung up here vs somewhere else like Atlanta after Arbury. Similar things have happened, and there were protests, but nothing like this.
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Capt Gregory Prickett
Cpl Jeff N. - Camden, NJ did the same thing several years ago. They fired the entire police department and formed a new one.
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I think it has been pretty clear that I think that police reform is needed, particularly in that area of Minnesota, but disbanding the police department is nuts.
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SN Greg Wright
Hah! I knew there was common ground, Captain.
Generally we disagree but man. Reality slaps a person RIGHT UPSIDE THE F'N HEAD.
The shitty thing in this is that the people calling for this are either 1. Have a choice about going somewhere else or 2. can afford their own security.
The single black mom working 3 jobs?? She's gonna get victimized.
Generally we disagree but man. Reality slaps a person RIGHT UPSIDE THE F'N HEAD.
The shitty thing in this is that the people calling for this are either 1. Have a choice about going somewhere else or 2. can afford their own security.
The single black mom working 3 jobs?? She's gonna get victimized.
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If you push for the abolishment of the police, you should be prevented from ever calling the police. Ever....
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SN Greg Wright
SSgt Addison R. - That's your interpretation.
It may not reflect reality. (It may, too. Just saying.)
It may not reflect reality. (It may, too. Just saying.)
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